I can’t really see the bulk of our ~30 students per year who apply choosing ED at BC. I’m guessing 1-2 tops.
At our high school, there were approximately 45 admits to BC over the last three years, with about 16 accepting. Approximately 75% of these admits were EA, and as the yield was considerably below that, there must have been many cross admits with the student ultimately choosing a different school. Thus, EA did not signify that BC was a strong first choice.
My guess is that the move to ED will cause many of these potential EA applicants to evaporate. They will use their ED card somewhere else, and apply to BC in RD. So, I think that this move might cause BC to lose some high SES early applicants, but will no doubt increase yield and allow BC to better shape its class.
One of my best friends sent his daughter there (just graduated this past year), and she loved it. After some of the evident enthusiasm from some posters on here, I think we will take a much closer look at BC in a few years for our own kid. We’ve got no interest in GT (math and science not strong enough) and ND is very cold!
“. That there are enough students like mine that due to the randomness of the process will think twice now that BC is an ED school. So they will ED with high stats because it’s the first year and it will progressively get harder”
@lgs03 Do you ** really ** believe that? Do you really think that you child, with the stats she had, would not use her lottery ED on a super reach school? They all cost the same (BC and the super reaches) so why not try the reach? I agree with you on ED2.
Admit rate does not factor into USNews ranking. I do agree admit rate will go down (it always does with ED and ED2), and it probably won’t hurt the school… ED is a huge benefit to the college. But a detriment to the students who want to apply RD and have options.
I’m very familiar with the ED1/ED2/RD setup. What should happen is the acceptance rate decreases, as well as a decrease in test scores. EA, allows high stat students to get their foot in the door, and the college a chance to woo high stat student before they have a plethora of options in May. ED means you’re “all in”.
I genuinely do believe that there is randomness to the process for the unhooked applicant. The ED lottery ticket really because of the outcome added stress to senior year. As I don’t want to turn this into a brag about BC thread I will share some anecdotal personal experience. When my child returns home and gets together with other high achieving friends .attending Uber elite schools the enthusiasm is different. The kids are no doubt proud to be attending their dream schools but the BC kids love their experience and school for the school . A different energy. Not taking a single thing away from any school. Not saying they should choose BC over anybody else just what I observe. Regardless of my personal experience BC has a huge alumni network. I believe either largest or second largest of any private university. ED will energize that group. So yes I do believe many high stat kids will ED next year.
USNews ranking are a well used guide. Yes they stated that they will no longer include admit rate. As of today there is a strong correlation between admit rate and rank. That’s not likely to change on a macro level anytime soon.
EA may have been hurting BC. Walk the campus, speak to students , look at the admiited student stats the last couple of years. Check out the online reviews relative to peers. ED will force students and parents to be more thorough in evaluating BC.
^But if your kid had been accepted to her ED Uber elite school she would have gone there and you would probably be fawning over that school in their CC folder. And you think many high stats students will ED next year, but didn’t confirm that in the exact same scenario (with ED) your kid would use ED1 to BC instead of the Uber elite ED.
It’s great that you are happy with BC, truly. But sometimes you have to step out of your own emotional connection and look at things from an outside perspective. And this is coming from a parent who’s kid DID reject an ivy (RD) for a lower ranked school because the lower ranked school was the first choice and best fit. I can tell you, MOST (vast majority) people won’t do that, just like most kids with super high stats like yours won’t ED1 at BC.
Interesting to see how ED affects admissions at BC, especially early on. Yield will probably increase above 30%, but the decrease in applicants might overpower the decrease in acceptances and acceptance rate will not severely go down right away. Also, isn’t yield a factor in a lot of rankings, so wouldn’t a big increase in yield by going from unrestricted EA to ED help that aspect? Anyways, I bet the overall admitted students stats will go down, yield goes up, but the enrolled stats stays about the same. Filling a significant portion of the class with ED might also get rid of the 2nd choice, 3rd choice, safety, etc that BC gets with more people here on campus that truly wanted it.
Also, I really agree with the alumni network and overall pride BC students have in their school. Even with many people here not having it initially as their first choice, most leave with very strong ties to their school and thats very special.
My second did reject an IVY with slightly lower stats than my first. So that makes 2 of us. My guess is we’re not alone.
For our family it was more important that our kids be together.
So you are all in for 2 at BC!
For our family the choice the eldest made has no bearing whatsoever on the youngest - being together (for 1 or 2 years) is not a factor…the best fit, academics, location and cost are the factors we apply in the college search. Everyone has a different process.
@suzyQ7
My second is a middle child. Always want to chart their own path. However after multiple visits on admitted student days she felt more important to be with her sister. With the exception of my wife my older daughter and I were nuetral and supportive of any direction she chose. My wife was BC all the way. My concern with ED at BC is my third and a junior will not be strong enough to gain admittance. But could also be for the best as it may be to academically rigorous for him to thrive. But some are suggesting ED will make it easier to gain admission for weaker students.
US News no longer uses acceptance rates in their calculation and enrollment % is also not a factor. The only way moving to ED/RD would help BC’s ranking (if that’s a factor in making the change) is if they get applicants with higher SAT/ACT scores and GPAs or their perceived prestige goes up (deans of peer schools and HS counselors).
https://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/articles/how-us-news-calculated-the-rankings
The breakdown of the weighting is:
2.5% Pell Grant graduation rate
2.5% Pell Grant graduation rate vs non pell grant
22% graduation rate (within 6 years)
8% grad rate vs expected rate
8% class size
7% faculty salaries
3% faculty % with PhD
1% student/teacher ratio
1% full time faculty %
15% ratings from peer schools (deans, pres …) rating 1 to 5
5% ratings from HS counselors
10% how much do they spend/invest
7.5% SAT/ACT scores
2.5% GPA/class rank
5% % of alumni that donate
Which makes me wonder how the actual rankings make any sense at all…
@bbfan1927 No problem! All parents have to carve out the right relationship with their child with respect to the college process. My son actually initiated this discussion by asking that we spend a Sunday afternoon going over the top 50 USNWR colleges together. Raising issues, asking questions, encouraging/providing opportunities to go look at schools is all fine as far as I am concerned. He had some strong views that I did not necessarily agree with (adjusted for specific colleges), but ultimately his choices were his own - both applications and enrollment. Anyway, my comments were in response to another poster.
Most importantly, he is doing great at college with Dad 2200 miles away! That makes both of us proud!
I was at a panel discussion the other night at my kid’s school with several AO’s from various colleges. One of the questions that came up was regarding ED, EA, and regular decision. The rep from BC said that they expect to fill approx 40% of their class now from EDI and ED2. She did not seem overly thrilled about the change, not sure if she was expecting a backlash from the audience as we have a lot of kids that apply there. I do think some people were really surprised.
^I think it’s interesting that their 920 target enrollment number from ED (40% of 2300) is the same as their target number this year (2023) under unrestricted EA. Last year, for class of 2022, the target from REA was 750-800, though I haven’t seen the actual enrollment number from REA.
Can anybody share examples of a school going ED1 and ED2 where admitted student scores went down and perhaps ranking also decreasing ?
@lgs03 That sounds like a new thread, you will get many more views than from post #176 on a random bc thread
nvm
I think it’s safe to assume that stats may decrease as typically in the ED round schools are more willing to take a student who is willing to make a binding commitment even if they may have slightly lower scores and/or GPA.