Behind the Scenes at Penn Admissions

<p>Im sure most of you’ll have read this but for those who haven’t: </p>

<p>High drama in the office of admissions
Mark Clayton, Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor
PHILADELPHIA?It’s 8:55 a.m. and Margaret Porigow, director of operations for the University of Pennsylvania undergraduate admissions rockets into an empty conference room, slapping a stack of three-ring binders onto a long table.</p>

<p>She rushes out again, only to return quickly with armloads of the most up-to-date computer summaries of applicants’ recommendations, grades, and test scores.</p>

<p>At 8:58, she is snapping binders open and clipping in the summaries - six computerized blurbs to a page. This morning’s admissions session will focus on the top-ranked of these “slates.”</p>

<p>Willis “Lee” Stetson, dean of undergraduate admissions, appears at the door. Ms. Porigow greets him but doesn’t miss a beat in her precision operation here in the heart of academia.</p>

<p>It is precision born of necessity. Eight days are all Penn’s small committee has to review a record 2,166 “early decision” applicants to one of America’s most selective universities - and to decide who will be accepted, denied, or deferred for reconsideration in the spring. Dean Stetson is followed into the room by M. Quenby Jackson, regional director of admissions for Oklahoma, Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, and parts of New York. She grabs a black binder. So does Patti Schindler, associate director of external affairs at the university’s College of Arts and Sciences.</p>

<p>Stetson sits at the head of the table, a cart filled with scores of fat admissions files in easy reach.</p>

<p>“Let’s start,” he intones, one minute after the hour.</p>

<p>Ms. Jackson begins by reviewing plaudits for a high school senior. Like each of Penn’s 16 regional directors, she has spent at least half an hour on each application, checking test scores, class rank, recommendations, extracurricular activities.</p>

<p>“He’s probably one of their top kids this year,” Jackson starts, referencing a public high school in upstate New York. Then she ticks off qualifications rapid fire:</p>

<p>“He’s top 5 percent of his class; French is spoken at home; Both parents involved in business; MRA (most rigorous curriculum) with 4 APs [advanced-placement courses] his senior year. He’s a solid A student with just a sprinkling of B-pluses.”</p>

<p>As Jackson recites, Ms. Schindler studies her own slate. Stetson reviews his master application file.</p>

<p>“His guidance counselor says he’s the best he’s worked with in 27 years,” Jackson continues. This young man is also vice president of student government, a Shakespearian actor, and a peer adviser to the ninth-graders. He’s vice president of the National Honor Society.</p>

<p>“This kid sort of has it all,” Jackson enthuses, pressing the sale. “Academic success with some unusual twists. I liked the Shakespearian actor and school leader part.”</p>

<p>Stetson: “Yes. Looks very strong. And he’s done things outside of the classroom. That’s the reason he’s rated a 6 [on 1 to 9 scale, 9 the top] in nonscholastic activities. We don’t see many 7s on anything.”</p>

<p>Schindler: “Is it a big group coming from this school?”</p>

<p>Jackson: I have five or six earlies this year and they’re all very strong."</p>

<p>Stetson: “Let’s grab him.”</p>

<p>Status: Admitted.</p>

<p>Elapsed time: 1 minute, 42 seconds.</p>

<p>The growing popularity of “early decision,” where students can hear from their top-pick school before winter vacation, means that many applicants around the nation will receive notification this week - just weeks after shipping off applications, and months before the traditional April denouement. But whether the mail brings sighs of relief or a signal to redirect, many students and parents can still be left wondering, “How exactly does this work?”</p>

<p>To gain a better sense of what it takes to be admitted to a highly selective school, the Monitor was granted a rare seat at the table, observing the University of Pennsylvania admissions committee as it debated early-decision applicants on the condition that their names not be used, though their credentials could be. Cases involving a handful of athletic recruits and “development cases” - students who might be admitted in part because of large donations by parents - were not viewed.</p>

<p>Penn mailed notices last Friday to 920 admits, 622 denials, and 624 deferrals. Those who got in had an average combined SAT score of 1387 out of 1600, 9 points higher than last year. The average class rank was in the top 4 percent.</p>

<p>Among hundreds of candidates reviewed while the Monitor observed over two days:</p>

<ul>
<li>A white male from Kansas, a region where Penn gets few applications but would like to get more. He has solid test scores, but his grades are weak (a sprinkling of B-pluses) producing a ranking at the low end of the top 10 percent of his large class.</li>
</ul>

<p>Decision: Admitted. Key factors: He is from an “outreach” area where the school wants to encourage more applicants.</p>

<p>“He wrote a six-page essay saying why he wants to be here. I know we don’t like long essays. But I thought ‘Great, a Kansan who’s dying for Penn,’” says Marisa Halm, regional director of admissions.</p>

<ul>
<li>An African-American female from Florida who is president of her senior class at a mostly white school. She plays basketball and has good grades. Also, she took a strong curriculum that includes several AP courses. But her math SAT is weak, given her desire to major in business at the elite Wharton School.</li>
</ul>

<p>Decision: Accepted. Key factors: She’s from an outreach zone in Florida - and she applied early or she could have been shut out by tougher competition in the spring. Her high school math course will be monitored and she will be encouraged to take summer math.</p>

<p>“Let’s watch this one very closely and help her succeed,” says Anita Gelbard, associate dean of the Wharton undergraduate school.</p>

<ul>
<li>A highly motivated white male from Illinois who wants to attend the Wharton School of Business. Penn gets a number of applications from his school. He is in the top 5 percent of his class with high ACT scores. But his class rank is relatively low. Nothing else distinguishes him.</li>
</ul>

<p>Decision: Deferred. Key factors: Many students with better qualifications will apply for April admission from this school. Penn officials do not want to “send the wrong message” and open the floodgates to lesser applicants.</p>

<p>“I know he says he really, really wants to be here. At the risk of sounding snooty, so do a lot of kids,” Ms. Gelbard says.</p>

<p>If students left standing outside a school’s gate are often puzzled by the selection process, that goes as well for those who make it in. Just talk to Jordan Schwartz, a smart guy without a clue why he was admitted to Penn. A top student in high school, he is now in his sophomore year, sitting on a sunny December day beneath a statue of Benjamin Franklin, founder of the school.</p>

<p>The psychology-philosophy double major draws a blank when asked what won him admission.</p>

<p>“It’s all kind of a big mystery,” Mr. Schwartz says. “Maybe it was my [admissions] essay.”</p>

<p>Maybe. After all, he did write a harrowing essay about falling into a glacial crevasse while skiing in Alaska. But it takes more than good grades and a riveting essay to be admitted to this urban school, ranked No. 6 in the nation by US News & World Report.</p>

<p>Penn last year rejected about 2 of 3 undergraduate applicants (71 percent) - including 322 high school valedictorians. But if so many valedictorians fail to make the cut, should their peers be even more worried?</p>

<p>This question is hardly academic. The answer involves the art of assessing individual qualifications at least as much as the science of calculating class rank.</p>

<p>“It’s a myopic view to say we should all just take those with the highest test scores, which alone are a poor predictor of success in college,” Stetson says. “We use SAT scores and other measures in relation to one another. So we may be forced to turn down even a valedictorian [with great SATs] along the way.”</p>

<p>Each year’s pool of candidates holds so many academic powerhouses that it is achievements outside the classroom, along with geography or minority status that may set students apart. Penn is openly striving for a mix of students. Even so, the academics must be there, Stetson insists. Last year, 36 percent of those enrolled in the class of 2002 were either Black, Hispanic, Asian, or American Indian.</p>

<p>But affirmative-action critics have sued Texas and Michigan schools, citing admissions policies favoring minorities over whites with better grades and test scores. As a result of Proposition 209, California’s college system banned affirmative action in its admissions. But so far, the private Ivys have not been legally challenged. Together, they argue an overwhelming need for admissions policies that promote campus diversity.</p>

<p>At the eight Ivy League schools - Harvard, Princeton, Dartmouth, Yale, Brown, Columbia, Cornell, and the University of Pennsylvania - admissions competition has never been greater, due to a swelling applicant pool. More than 110,000 apply to the Ivys each year, but just 26,000 or so are accepted, one expert says.</p>

<p>Only about 100 of the nation’s 4,000 colleges and universities are considered selective. Most accept whomever applies. Less than two dozen are highly selective - admitting fewer than 35 percent of those who apply.</p>

<p>Acceptance rates at highly selective schools range from 13 percent at Harvard - the lowest - to about 29 percent at Penn.</p>

<p>“There really should not be a mystery surrounding this process,” Stetson says. Yet he and others admit there is. He attributes it to the fact that many students with high academic honors or powerful test scores are denied, while some others with unique attributes outside the classroom are admitted. This has created public confusion, and, strangely, even greater demand, he says. Competition has also spawned an industry of consultants and SAT coaches.</p>

<p>“Competition has become more extreme,” Stetson says. “Some of it is the illusion of prestige - and wanting what you can’t have.”</p>

<p>Competition has also blown open early decision. Early decision a few decades ago was pursued by only the best students. Now many slightly weaker students apply early to gain an edge.</p>

<p>It appears they get one. Last year at Penn, the final acceptance rate (including those deferred to spring but ultimately accepted) for early admission was 42 percent. Compare that with the 14,533 who applied in spring. Just 3,976 - 27 percent - were admitted to the class of 2002.</p>

<p>The result: Last year Penn drew 35 percent of the class of 2002 from “earlies,” compared with 5 percent a few years ago.</p>

<p>Other universities are jumping on the bandwagon, too, whether or not they are particularly selective. More than 400 schools offered early action this year, the College Board reports.</p>

<p>The reason early-decision candidates are given an edge is purely economic. Applicants commit to coming to Penn if accepted. They may apply to only one school. So Penn doesn’t have to worry about competing with other Ivys and good state universities.</p>

<p>During regular admission, by contrast, many of those accepted at Penn will also apply to Harvard or Yale - and may end up at one of those schools.</p>

<p>“Early decision is not a full reflection of the entire selection process,” Stetson says. “We’re laying a base and we’re probably a tad more forgiving because the students are making a commitment to us - so there is a measure of preference.”</p>

<p>About three minutes and four students (two “easy admits,” one deferral, and one denial) into the morning session on Dec. 3, another of Jackson’s New Yorkers hits prime time - but with less stellar results.</p>

<p>A senior at a strong private school, this young woman has high test scores, including a combined 1,480 on her SATs. But her grades are weaker. She has applied to the College of Arts and Science as a philosophy major.</p>

<p>The college is eager to admit women. But all three in the room worry her merely “rigorous curriculum” is not the “most rigorous available.” Also, that even deferring her might send the wrong message to the school.</p>

<p>“We’ve got a lot of B’s on this transcript, including four in her junior year,” Jackson says. “She’s described as having lots of potential. But there’s a lot of depth to this class. And she’s got too many B’s for me to be comfortable at a school like this where we do see their top kids coming to Penn.”</p>

<p>Stetson: “She ended up getting a 120 point increase on her SATs. But it just proves even more that she’s not using her ability.”</p>

<p>Jackson: “There are so many B’s on her record in a rig [rigorous curriculum, see glossary]. Still, she’s in the top 15 percent of her class. I’d like to hold onto [defer] her.”</p>

<p>Stetson: “Do we get much from this school? What kind of community is it?”</p>

<p>Jackson: “It’s a middle-class community. It’s not a Scarsdale or Mamaroneck, but it’s not White Plains either.”</p>

<p>Stetson: “Patti, you’re thinking we should let her go [deny] now?”</p>

<p>Schindler: “Well, yeah, it’s the B’s and the rig - that’s not going to change [before regular admission].”</p>

<p>Stetson: “What do you think, Quenby?”</p>

<p>Jackson: "One of the letters or recommendation says she has a really strong interest in bioethics and he thinks it’s a nice match for her. But he goes on to say that she handed in late work. He thought that was OK because it was honest and it was her own work. But nevertheless, I don’t think it’s an excuse for handing in late work in high school.</p>

<p>Stetson: “OK, let’s let her go then.”</p>

<p>Status: Denied.</p>

<p>Elapsed time: 2 minutes, 9 seconds.</p>

<p>THE SHORTCUTS OF …</p>

<p>FEEDER - A school from which the university regularly receives a large number of applicants.</p>

<p>PLUGGER - An applicant who works very hard academically, who won’t let himself fail, but who may not be at the top of the pool. Sometimes indicates a lack of intellectual spark, but often is purely descriptive and could at times be complimentary.</p>

<p>PQS - A student’s personal qualifications, for example, “she has great PQs.”</p>

<p>ATHLETE - A recruited athlete, not simply someone who played athletics in high school.</p>

<p>Straight down the middle - A student with a solid application, solid academics and extracurricular qualifications, but no spark.</p>

<p>LOPSIDED - An imbalanced student profile. Could apply to an academically one-sided applicant, one with very strong grades and test scores in math and science, but weak verbal testing and English class grades.</p>

<p>ALL A’S ALL THE TIME - A term used to describe someone who has superlative academic performance.</p>

<p>SELF-REP - A student’s representation of himself on his application. He has either a “good self-rep” or spelling errors and grammar mistakes.</p>

<p>… ADMISSIONS SPEAK</p>

<p>RIG - A student who has a middle-of-the-road curriculum. It is one notch above an “above-average” curriculum and one notch below the coveted MRA, or “most rigorous available.”</p>

<p>GC - A guidance counselor. GC recommendations come up regularly.</p>

<p>Slate - A notebook full of computerized student application summaries ranked 1 through 9, with 9 being the lowest.</p>

<p>DULL READ - An application where nothing “jumps off the page.” It’s akin to “straight down the middle,” but more negative and probably means an outright denial.</p>

<p>Just a quick observation </p>

<p>Stetson: "She ended up getting a 120 point increase on her SATs. But it just proves even more that she's not using her ability."</p>

<p>Does this mean taking the SAT for a second time , count agaisnt you? Because the prevailing opinion is that one can take the SAT the 2nd time , and have no worries about it.</p>

<p>If you read the entire conversation about the girl, you see that her strongest point academically were her SAT scores. She had numerous Bs without the strongest curriculum. They felt that she had lots of potential, but was not using it. The SAT scores were another point showing that she could achieve greatness, but she may not be putting forth her best efforts. Basically, it's a problem with people who have high test scores, but low GPAs (without a legit reason for a drop or upward trend). If you believe that your SAT score can go up by retaking it, retake it. You need the whole package academically for Penn to admit you, so you can't have a perfect GPA and a bellow average SAT or the other way around and expect to get in easily.</p>

<p>yea, i agree with venkat. but i think the girls problem was more so the fact that she didnt even show an upward trend (B's still in junior year). also, that teacher rec definately hurt her. there is more to admissions than just GPA/SAT.</p>

<p>Hmmm - still sounds dodgy to me. The taking the SAT the second time , seemed to further deepen their opinion of the girl not fulfilling her potential , despite her acheiving an increase. </p>

<p>So it could count against. </p>

<p>Intresting.</p>

<p>Yeah, in situations like that (kid with low grades) a higher SAT would actually look bad ...that's why they admit people with lower SATs but a proven record of hard work (ie, a good GPA with "MRA"). Basically, what they're saying is, "This student has proven repeatedly that she is smart, making the low grades even more inexcusable."</p>

<p>Venkat, What if you have a low GPA with a really demanding workload (Think IB/APs from Freshmen year)</p>

<p>^depends how low and how demanding</p>

<p>Mid 3s ? Most Demanding</p>

<p>It also depends on your peers. If you have classmates taking a similar schedule and can get near perfect grades, they have the advantage over you. What you have to worry about is first getting good grades in a schedule that is good for you, not necessarily the toughest. Not everyone can take AP everything (I didn't) and still get good grades. You have to know your limits when selecting courses. Taking the toughest schedule is only an advantage if you can back it up with good grades. It's like being an athlete. It only helps if you are recruited or have strong numbers. They don't give a boost to non recruited athletes, but like students who can balance varsity sports with a big work load.</p>

<p>Im not Venkat - but Ill have a go anyway - do excuse me. </p>

<p>The question is rather vague. A low GPA with a really demanding workload will be the equivalent of a high GPA with a 'rigorous curriculum'. It will however create a slight negative impression in the mind of an admission officer although the fact that yours is a demanding workload will be taken into consideration which will nullify the effect but not the impression</p>

<p>It could count against you if there exists a discrepancy between your test scores and GPA on the grounds of one ' not fulfilling potential at school etcetc'</p>

<p>Then again - I am not an admissions officer so what I say could be wrong.</p>

<p>I didn't take AP English and took the easiest route in Spanish (regular level). However, I almost maxed out in tough science, math, and history courses. Also, I only had 3 Bs in 6 semesters (also upward trend). My SAT scores are probably average for a non hooked applicant to the college coming from an upper middle/upper class house hold in an area where lots of people apply to Penn (DC). I got in without taking the most rigorous curriculum, but I pretty much formatted my application around my strengths in the sciences. I'm pretty sure from my school for ED there were applicants with tougher curriculums and possibly better grades (or similar grades) but at some point grades and SATs matter less and ECs, recs, essays, personality, and other factors are the things that get you in.</p>

<p>This article really points out the double standards - your biggest negative (especially in ED) is being from a school and area where Penn gets a lot of applications - if you are less than perfect and they take you it will "send the wrong message" to the other applicants (I'm not sure what that even means - don't they want to lure more people into applying just so they can reject them - this improves their selectivity stats?) But if you are from the middle of nowhere or are URM, taking you won't "send a message" .</p>

<p>If you are from the first category and you have the slightest zit on your record, into the reject pile you go. But in the second group, everything can be overlooked - low SAT scores, low grades - all is forgiven. It's too late to be reborn and change your race, but if your parents live in Scarsdale (rich NY suburb), hurry and get them to move to White Plains or better yet Kansas, fast. Suddenly those low SATs won't be so low anymore , those B+'s - no problem! </p>

<p>And they wonder why people are confused and upset?</p>

<p>It doesn't confuse or upset me at all. The school IS using the rural applicant decisions to send a message: a positive one.</p>

<p>lest anyone forget, this article is nearly 9 years old...</p>

<p>some things are bound to have changed somewhat...</p>

<p>but the general idea is the same.</p>

<p>BTW, this article is from 1998 so all the stats are way, way out of date - things are much worse now.</p>

<p>very,v ery interesting.</p>

<p>With regard to the low GPA/demanding curriculum issue, taking the most demanding curriculum shows initiative, but if you're not performing well, it shows that you don't know your limits. It really depends on how you define low grades, but the limit is probably getting below what your school compensates for in the weighted GPA (generally +1 honors/AP).</p>

<p>Also, it's probably not going to impress adcoms to just have a demanding curriculum for the hell of it. A focused curriculum is probably more impressive than a generally demanding one. So if you're a humanities person, then take advanced level humanities courses. And if you're a math/science person, taking advanced science would make sense. And if you have a lot of strange interests all over the place, that's awesome, but that doesn't mean overdo it on your APs. I'm not saying that having an all around demanding curriculum is bad (it's good!), but in the end colleges want to see that you are pursuing your interests, not just trying to impress them (hence, taking ECs only senior year will look bad).</p>

<p>I've been confused a lot, What exactly is not performing well ? Cs and Ds ?</p>

<p>Don't buy the "positive message" spin - every seat that is given for a "positive" reason to a less qualified person takes that seat from a more qualified one - this is a game of musical chairs so for every "generous break" given to a rural, URM, etc. applicant they are taking a chair from someone else. A real "positive message' would be "we treat all applicants the same, regardless of what color you are or what region or school you come from." - wouldn't that be truly in keeping with fairness and American values? The message now is "we make arbitrary and uneven decisions in order to engineer a class that fits our personal preferences/prejudices." And even if you are on the benefit side of this equation, you should be worried because such a subjective system can easily be changed to favor some other group - once the yardsticks are made of rubber anything goes - maybe in the future it'll be a "positive message" to let in say only Latinos but not AA's. Once upon a time (not so long ago - in this 1998 article they lump Asians in with the other minorities) Asian "counted" as URMs.</p>