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<p>Huh? I don't understand. Please explain.</p>
<p>^ all women, especially ones good enough to get into Berkeley engineering, want a smart guy, so they can improve their engineering lineage. lolzzzzzzzzzz maybe they want their son to build a spaceship or a car that can fly. or like the dutch engineering feat of a 120 mile dam in the middle of a torrential ocean. </p>
<p>i mean, imagine two finely tuned engineering minds going at it like at the P2P or search engine phase, where everything gets branched out at an amazing pace. They can start a company all on their own, covering all ends... especially in an environment like Silicon Valley.</p>
<p>From what I hear, the male Berkeley engineers may want to look elsewhere for women if they value looks AT ALL.</p>
<p>West Sidee, there is no question on quality of Berkeley's faculty group. The question is how well do the students capitalize on it. Can you guys elaborate on it, if possible, compared with Cornell or NU? I hope the female ratio is not one of his major selection criteria. Investment banking could be an exciting area. But he doesn't seem to be interested in.</p>
<p>Richarddad, nobody can capitalize on a research-oriented faculty, regardless of the size of the university, be it Cal, Cornell oo Penn. Contrary to what you are told, a research university will never be able to force its professors to prioritize in favor of undergraduate teaching. It just won't happen. I would recommend Cal or Cornell, but since your son does not like Cornell's environment, I would say Cal. Besdies, how can you justify wasting $100,000 to attend a school that is not any better?</p>
<p>yeap, my best friend's husband attended Cornell, when he graduated he worked for Intel for dirt pay, so I guess it did not matter much. But if there is any consolation to the Cornell degree, it must be the fact that it helps him getting into Phd at Stanford.
I think if your son plan to work in the Bay Area, then attend the UCB will get him the connection.
I used to work with lots of people from UCB engineering school that knew each other since undergraduate. Most people go to Cornell will stay in the NorthEast area after graduation.</p>
<p>Alexandre, Great to get a different perspective on the research opportunity. I was at Cornell last week with my S. They, both the school and the student panel, made it a big deal. I won't waste $100K if I know it is a waste of money. That is one of the things that I am trying to figure out. </p>
<p>SusieQ2007, Cornell degree is better (than Berkeley) for Stanford graduate school? Can you elaborate why? Then will Cornell degree be better for a better job, short term or long term? I heard you saying the Intel case but I am looking for more generalized answer. Geografical consideration for school vs. where you want to live is well taken!</p>
<p>I did not say UCB is better than Cornell.I think it's hard to be considered for a Phd program at Stanford, they don't take anybody, with the connection to Stanford, you can make millions if you pick the right field(Yahoo&Google). Private school seems to give preference to private school, I guess that is why he got in.(my guess not base on anything concrete). I don't think Cornell is necessarily better for job, since I never worked with anyone from Cornell in the West Coast but I did work with one in the East Coast. However, in the East Coast, MIT is considered better for Engineering and CMU is for Computer Science.</p>
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I would say that the engineering department at Berkeley...has the highest % of women out of any engineering department in the US.
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<p>West Sidee,</p>
<p>Only 582 out of 2644 undergrads in the engineering school were women during 2003/2004. <a href="http://www.mentornet.net/Partners/campuses/CampusInfo.aspx?CampusCode=BERKE%5B/url%5D">http://www.mentornet.net/Partners/campuses/CampusInfo.aspx?CampusCode=BERKE</a></p>
<p>That's just a bit over 20%, not much higher than the national average. Northwestern has about 30% and probably many others have higher % of women in engineering than Berkeley also. This isn't the first time you put out a bogus claim to sell Berkeley. Sorry, April Fool's Day has already passed. ;)</p>
<p>Do you have statistics for Northwestern? </p>
<p>Berkeley has been on the progressive cutting edge when it comes to top notch philosophy when it comes to women studying the sciences. Unlike <em>cough</em> Harvard (whose engineering dept sucks anyways)</p>
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<p>Berkeley tops in US for female PhDs in science
In nation, numbers reportedly on rise</p>
<p>BERKELEY, Calif. -- The University of California at Berkeley is known for having an activist faculty and a diverse student body with liberal politics and for providing a high-quality education at a fraction of the price charged at Ivy League schools.</p>
<p>The flagship university of the country's most populous state, for decades a leading scientific research institution, has another distinction that is not widely known: It is the nation's top producer of women who receive doctorates in science or engineering.</p>
<p>A National Science Foundation study done in 1998 identified Berkeley as having directly awarded doctorates in those fields to more women than any other college during the early 1990s. By that measure, the nation's 10 leaders were again state flagships, except for Cornell University and Stanford University. Harvard ranked 12th.</p>
<p>Harvard president Lawrence H. Summers's controversial remarks in January about the roles of ''issues of intrinsic aptitude," discrimination, and work-family balance in limiting the number of female professors of science and math called attention to the number of women with doctorates in those fields, the prerequisite for permanent jobs on university faculties.
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<p>Of course I do! </p>
<p>Actually 31% to be exact with close to 90% retention rate for NU.</p>
<p>Now you are confusing people. Earlier you said PERCENT and I thought you were talking about undergrads but now this article refers to absolute number of women PhDs. It's not difficult for Berkeley to produce the highest number of female PhDs since the only ones that can possibly compete with it are other public universities because of its size of enrollment.</p>
<p>Everything I have said I can back up with evidence. I don't go around spreading misinformation to gain an edge. The times I have been wrong, I admit it."</p>
<p>I think I see a patern here!</p>
<p>"Everything I have said I can back up with evidence. I don't go around spreading misinformation to gain an edge. The times I have been wrong, I admit it."</p>
<p>I think I see a pattern here!</p>
<p>Listen, I remember reading a long time ago that Berkeley had the highest % of female faculty. Now I might have mixed up student and faculty. Either way, my claim that Berkeley is a more liberating environment for female scientists (especially given Harvard's recent lamblast on women) is definitely true. </p>
<p>What other university will have the same type of research conducted on their own professors? </p>
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Berkeley is a fantastic place for individual researchers, but the survey results indicate that at least half of the faculty want a more cohesive and inclusive community,?Stacy notes.</p>
<p>One of the most striking findings relates to mentoring of students from underrepresented groups. Across the board, at all ranks, more than 50 percent of women feel that mentoring such students is more important to them than they believe it is to their unit or department. In the humanities, where a large proportion of underrepresented students are enrolled, 75 percent of minority faculty agree that mentoring these students is undervalued. But only 20 percent of male professors at the highest ranks (above step 6) believe similarly.
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<p>I'd like EVERYONE to know, that it is all over.... I have made my decession!</p>
<p>The Suspense.......</p>
<p>NORTHWESTERN!</p>
<p>yay! (character minimum...)</p>
<p>wow .. after only 10 pages of deliberation lol.. great choice.. see you there !</p>
<p>edit: just noticed: one could say choice was decided since the beginning as you misspelt berkeley in the subject lol</p>
<p>Good choice! I knew you would see through all the propaganda and choose the right institution.</p>
<p>LOL! I feel like I just "converted" someone. ;)</p>
<p>hehe.. yea sam lee.. u did a nice job. Growing up in so. cal... Berkeley and ivies are the schools taht exisit to peoples. Half the people i kno's "dream" school is berekely.. for the o so wonderful reason that it's "berekeley" hah.. i had to deal with all these blank faces when people ask me where im going to college and i say northwestern *sigh. and hearing the Berekly is the no. 2 college in the world thing.. ugh. and realtives complaning about why i didnt want to go to berekley.. -_-(im not a fan of Berekley.. even though i wont deny its a good school)</p>