<p>Ananda, there is nothing in what you posted that proves that </p>
<p>“UCLA is slightly harder to get into than UC Berkeley based on numbers…”</p>
<p>show us some facts…</p>
<p>oops, you can’t because the UC Berkeley admittance figures aren’t in yet…</p>
<p>so use last years firgures instead - what do you come up with?</p>
<p>“for Berkeley 23% of new admittees are non-resident and International students.”</p>
<p>Is that really true? where’s the link to that please?</p>
<p>Please do not take offense at my comments. UCLA and Berkeley and both outstanding schools that are very competitive for admissions. I sit on several scholarship committees and my comments were based in part on my anecdotal observations of numerous students who have sought scholarships throughout the years. It is my experience that most students who are admitted to UCLA are also admitted to Berkeley and that most students who are admitted to Berkeley are also admitted to UCLA. Nevertheless, there are, of course, numerous students who are admitted to one but not the other. It is my “unscientific” observation that I see more students who are admitted to Berkeley who do not gain admission to UCLA than the other way around. This is really not surprising because UCLA has received more freshman applications than any other school in the country the last several years and admits a somewhat smaller class than Berkeley does. </p>
<p>Since you asked, I looked up the admit rate statistics for the last three years for freshman applicants to UCLA and UC Berkeley. The statistics are as follows:</p>
<pre><code> Admit Rate
</code></pre>
<p>2009 UCLA 21.4%
Berkeley 29.5%</p>
<p>2008 UCLA 22.1%
Berkeley 27.5%</p>
<p>2007 UCLA 23.6%
Berkeley 30.8%</p>
<p>Please note that these statistics are for freshmen applicants only. UCLA typically only admits freshmen for the fall quarter, while Berkeley admits most of its students for fall quarter, but also admits a significant portion of its freshman class for the winter/spring term. The above numbers reflect all freshman admissions, regardless of the term.</p>
<p>from the University of California’s own stat system:</p>
<p>[University</a> of California: StatFinder](<a href=“http://statfinder.ucop.edu/statfinder/drawtable.aspx?track=1]University”>http://statfinder.ucop.edu/statfinder/drawtable.aspx?track=1)</p>
<p>Fall Admit Rate:</p>
<p>2009 UCLA 21.9%
Berkeley 21.6%</p>
<p>2008 UCLA 22.9%
Berkeley 21.5%</p>
<p>2007 UCLA 23.6%
Berkeley 23.2%</p>
<p>and by the way, one reason that UC Berkeley’s admit rates are lower than UCLA’s even though UCLA gets more applicants is because UC Berkeley’s yield is higher. For instance in 2009 the yield was 41.4% for UC Berkeley compared to UCLA’s 36.7%. This, of course is for fall admits only.</p>
<p>Full Year Admit Rate:</p>
<p>2009 - figures aren’t in yet</p>
<p>2008 UCLA 22.9%
Berkeley 26.2%</p>
<p>2007 UCLA 23.6%
Berkeley 28.6%</p>
<p>2008 full year yield rate:</p>
<p>UCLA = 37.4%
UC Berkeley = 40.5%</p>
<p>Berkeley also has higher sat scores:</p>
<p>SAT Critical Reading: 590 - 710<br>
SAT Math: 640 - 760<br>
SAT Writing: 610 - 720 </p>
<p>UCLA:</p>
<p>SAT Critical Reading: 570 - 680<br>
SAT Math: 600 - 730<br>
SAT Writing: 580 - 700</p>
<p>My son applied to undeclared engineering. It’s going to be tough. We are told so many people state “undeclared engineering” and therefore makes it harder to get accepted. Good luck to all!!!</p>
<p>LOL I think too many people are too caught in the crossfire of “I am better than thou” mentality here.</p>
<p>Guys give me a break.</p>
<p>Both schools are wash in terms of selectivity. With or without the spring admission rate, UCLA and Berkeley are similiar in terms of selectivity, and to say which school is harder to get in (so that you can claim proudly that X is “way better” than the other…
is meaningless and futile.</p>
<p>Moreover, just because Berkeley’s average students scored mere 30 points higher in SAT CR, it doesnt make Berkeley students much smarter than UCLA students.</p>
<p>UCLA might have surpassed Berkeley in terms of admission rate (WOW! REALLY! WOW!..so what?), but the reputation built upon generations and generations of Cal studetns wont easily fade into distant memory.</p>
<p>Berkeley is still the top school among the UC campuses, and nothing will change this status in the near future.</p>
<p>Some people choose UCLA over UC Berkeley not because of the belief that UCLA is academically more prestigious than Berkley, but because of the personal convinction that UCLA may be a better fit in terms of many personal criteria than Berkeley may be. The difference between these two schools is that simple and that subjective. </p>
<p>So please refrain yourself from trying to digest the marginal differences in acceptance rate, SAT score, and silly UC weighted GPA and to turn such differences into some sort of factual based research paper.</p>
<p>After all, do you really think that there is any difference between 4.43 UC Weighted GPA and 4.48???</p>
<p>On a side note, as a private consultant who has sent at least two dozen students to each school every year for the past five years, I find that UCLA seems to admit students with a strong set of extracurricular and unique X-factors, while Berkeley seems to prefer students with pristine academic records with more “tangible” achievements.</p>
<p>I really think that Berkeley and UCLA admissions deal acceptance on a per department basis. So, on that basis, it’s harder to get onto UCLA business econ than Berkeley history or European languages or many of those programs at L&S even when it’s obvious that Berkeley is harder to get into than UCLA in general.</p>
<p>Watch out UC Berkeley and UCLA ---- UCSD is gaining ground and real quickly…</p>
<p>I have always thought that UCLA and UCSD aren’t really that different when it comes to teaching and research quality, as well as student quality. The only different between the two is that UCLA has a higher reputation to the general public.</p>
<p>totes agreed with bruinlifer :]</p>
<p>Berkeley does not admit by major to L&S, only to Engineering and Chemistry.</p>
<p>Woo! Chemistry >.></p>