Berkeley and UCLA

Colleges and Universities A-Z University of California - Berkeley
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<p>There seems to be a tenacious relationship between the flagship and the largest UC campuses. Some see it as becoming increasingly hostile. But I see it in a different light.</p>

<p>For many years, UCLA has tried to surpass Berkeley. Even though UCLA’s undergrad has several very strong points, there are some facts that should be made abundantly clear.</p>

<p>1)The education at Berkeley seems to be better. As a first year student of Berkeley, I can attest that Berkeley generally turns it’s good students into gold, while UCLA turns the same quality students into something less. This is the reason I chose it over UCLA. I’ve been to both campuses and seen how classes are conducted and how the students conduct themselves. The outlook is not so positive for UCLA.</p>

<p>Just look at Carly Fiorina and Eric Schmidt as the most prominent examples of graduates of the two schools. Both were or are the most representative graduates of their schools that became high level executives.</p>

<p>One is the CEO of a massive company that is rising. That company is bigger then eBay and provides a service that we use every day. His management style and innovation earned him the power. He’s Eric Schmidt, at Google, and earned his degree at Berkeley. </p>

<p>The other is a disgraced CEO of another large company. She was arrogant, and forced her company into a merger that did no good. As a poster child of women power in the workplace, she instead showed most in her company why women sometimes just cant lead. </p>

<p>I’m not saying that all students tend to be like those people, but there is a general tendency in that direction. In the working world, and in the rest of the world, students at Cal are considered more hard working.</p>

<p>Now take a look at their board. While they’re interested in having more posts and topics than our board, we have to speak of more important things.</p>

<p>2)As a frequent traveler to India, China, Japan, and Taiwan, I visit many companies and executives at work there. After assessing their attitudes toward US graduates, I can say with certainty Berkeley students are much more highly regarded. With India becoming the technological powerhouse and China already as the manufacturing center of the world, your chances with a Cal degree is very bright. </p>

<p>3)Finally, grad school at Cal is better than grad school at UCLA.</p>

<p>Truthfully, I like both campuses. I actually will go to UCLA later this week. But the incredible amount of arrogance there makes me feel that this thread is appropiate… to clear up all the filth that you get. Lets take a look at what they say-</p>

<p>-Cal is filled with liberals and hippies.
Actually, Cal has one of the most vigerous Republican clubs anywhere, and you will never see a hippie. Most of them just became bums and just want money now.
There are plenty of liberals, but they are not the rumored ultra-liberals who want to raise the minimum wage to 20 dollars an hour.</p>

<p>-You study like crazy.
Yeah, that’s the price of a better education.</p>

<p>-Girls are terrible there.
No, there are lots of good ones. Just take a closer look. Good girls here aren’t nearly as pretentious as in UCLA. That’s why you dont see that many at a first glance.</p>

<p>The graduates of the two schools are a testimonial. We have people like Kalrk Kerr, Glenn Seaborg, Earl Warren, Pete Stark, and a crop of other people who have changed California and the world. They havent produced any icons yet.</p>

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<p>Basing the schools on two individual graduatess is completely ridiculous. I will agree that the academic rigor at Berkeley is higher than that of UCLA's and that there is a greater respect towards Berkeley than UCLA in the business world, but UCLA has had their fair share of famous graduates. Take for example, the late, great Jackie Robinson and countless others.</p>

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<p>Bubbles, why would you say that Berkeley is weaker in Bio than UCLA? I would think that the curriculum would be about the same, so is it more a problem with the professors?</p>

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<p>Bubbles, I have no idea why you brought in Carly Fiorina into the mix. What does she have to do with UCLA or Berkeley? She never graduated from either. She did her undergrad at Stanford, and has graduate degrees from the University of Maryland and MIT. What does she have to do with UCLA or Berkeley? </p>

<p>I don't know that Eric Schmidt is all that relevant either. Yes, he's a Berkeley alumni, but only from the graduate school (holds an MS and PhD in computer science from Berkeley), but did his undergrad at Princeton. I think most people here on CC are interested in the quality of the undergraduate programs at Berkeley or UCLA, not the quality of the graduate schools. Hence, you should be comparing people who completed the undergraduate programs, not the graduate programs.</p>

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<p>I love the inherent arrogance and arrogant purposes in Bubble's anti-UCLA posts, and the irony of him/her claiming in each one that UCLA as a whole is the arrogrant one...</p>

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<p>Bubbles, you have chucked whatever credibility you might have had right out the window with your Fiorina vs Schmidt post. Embarassing dude--for you and Berkeley.</p>

<p>By the way, you should have credited Princeton for Schmidt's BS.</p>

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<p>Bubbles: The numerous grammatical mistakes (is it so hard to remember the difference between "it's" and "its"?) in your opinion piece did not reflect well on Berkeley. I'm glad you like the place, and that you feel you made the right decision, however scrambled your facts might be. But throwing mud (inaccurate mud at that) on another school to justify your own in-the-past decision is silly and immature. I hope you won't grow up to be one of those insufferable people who tells everyone you meet, within the first five minutes, about where you went to college. It's possible to go to Berkeley (or Harvard, or Yale, or UCLA) and still be a sad, pathetic loser. Don't fall for that elitist crap.</p>

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<p>"I love the inherent arrogance and arrogant purposes in Bubble's anti-UCLA posts, and the irony of him/her claiming in each one that UCLA as a whole is the arrogrant one..."</p>

<p>Arrogance is excessive pride. Note that my topic didnt begin with
"I just hate UCLA" the equivalent of many of the topics on your board. I'm proud of my school, and I explain why, rather than rant. And I admit that we are losing a lot of good people to rumors. </p>

<p>And really, the epitome of arrogance is UCLA's own admissions director, Vic Tran. He just makes me sick. </p>

<p>"Bubbles, you have chucked whatever credibility you might have had right out the window with your Fiorina vs Schmidt post. Embarassing dude--for you and Berkeley."</p>

<p>And Carly Fiorina went to Law school at UCLA. Just like we associate Bill Gates with Harvard, many associate Carly with UCLA.</p>

<p>Read Forbes or any magazine, and you will realize that.</p>

<p>Actually, I think UCLA's undergrad is at the same level as Cal's. It's just the attitude of the students.</p>

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<p>All I can say is that UCLA accepts a lot of "diverse" applicants</p>

<p>they r broken down in three tiers:</p>

<ul>
<li>above average - high gpa, high sat</li>
<li>average - mediocre gpa, high sat or vice-versa</li>
<li>below average - low gpa, low sat, but very good essays and personal situation i.e. mexican immigrant, living in poverty, death of loved one, e.t.c</li>
</ul>

<p>UCBerkeley by far is better than UCLA</p>

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<p>Bubbles: Look back at Ubermensch's thread about a comparison of Stanford and Cal's admission webpage:</p>

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If you compare Stanford and Berkeley's websites, you'll notice something rather interesting. Berkeley keeps on reiterating how it's "one of the best universities in the world" with a "world reknowned education" and "world-class scholars." But when you look at Stanford's website, they never mention how Stanford is the greatest. It seems that Stanford takes a show-not-tell approach to describing itself, whereas Berkeley tries to overtly brag that it is the best.

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<p>The point is, everyone will have their own "pride" for the school they go to, and I find it sad if the driving force of your admission decision was based on the few people you met at UCLA who wore school color paint on their face or a UCLA sweater. This type of activity is common in EVERY college. It just doesn't sit right with me when you go around on this forum, the UCLA forum, and the general admission forum and try to take away from a school based on this type of common campus behavior (and every school will have its own extreme if you want to look at it that way- my point: this should not be the gauge that people use to base their undergrad decision on).</p>

<p>About Fiorina who was supposedly corrupted by UCLA's law school in the entire 1 semester that she was there: </p>

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Once described as impractical, unfocused and restless, she took a stab at UCLA law school, but ditched it after one semester. Telling her father was one of the most difficult things she ever did. With a laugh, she assured Business Week: "He's over that now."

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<p><a href="http://www.phoenix.edu/students/future/oldissues/Summer2000/fox.htm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.phoenix.edu/students/future/oldissues/Summer2000/fox.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>uclover8: UCB accepts a similar "diverse" pool of applicants. This type of practice is seen throughout all the UCs (via "comprehensive review") and to think that this type of admission practice is carried out by all UCs except UCB is naive:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/10/10/MN92829.DTL%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/10/10/MN92829.DTL&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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<p>i doubt that they 100% use the comprehensive review as their decisions factor</p>

<p>u may assume that</p>

<p>but no one knows completely ...</p>

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<p>All the UC's use comprehensive review to a certain extent.</p>

<p>Also, according to a pamphlet handed out by UCB BAMN students at UCLA the other week prior to their March 16th rally before the UC Regents meeting at Covel Commons:</p>

<p>"UC-Berkeley Chancellor Robert Birgeneau stated that reversing the drop [URM percentage] at UC-Berkeley is the top priority of his administration. This movement must spread to UCLA and become a statewide campaign."</p>

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<p>Gates never graduated from Harvard...I associate Gates with Microsoft, not Harvard. :)</p>

<p>It's not the school, but individual. Karen Hughes didn't go to a big name school; she's now one of the most powerful women in the Bush Administration. You don't have to go to Cal or UCLA to be successful; the individual forges their own path and their own successes. Letting a diploma from a certain university determine your future is, in short, pathetic.</p>

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<p>Bubbles:</p>

<p>we can appreciate your fondness for Cal, but as Golden Bear, you should have learned by now that dissing the Southern Branch is just not cool. OTOH, trashing Stanfurd Junior University and U$c is acceptable behavior.</p>

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<p>Fondness? Not really.</p>

<p>Pride. Yes, bit.</p>

<p>And this is the Berkeley board, not the UCLA board.</p>

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<p>UCLA rocks CAL Bear anydays, not academically though</p>

<p>the night life at ucla rocks</p>

<p>ppl @ ucberkeley r usually liberals or conservatives</p>

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<p>As a high school student, I toured Harvard last fall. </p>

<p>Using "Bubble-logic" I can now tell everyone I was a student at Harvard</p>

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<p>From Carly Fiorina's Bio:</p>

<p>"She earned a BA in medieval history from Stanford University in 1976, working as a secretary at Hewlett-Packard (HP) one summer. She dropped out of UCLA law school, but later earned an MBA from the University of Maryland and a master of science from MIT."</p>

<p>From Bubble's post:</p>

<p>"Just look at Carly Fiorina and Eric Schmidt as the most prominent examples of graduates of the two schools. Both were or are the most representative graduates of their schools that became high level executives."</p>

<p>Fact: Carly never graduated from UCLA. Just a 4 month stint before attending Maryland for her MBA.</p>

<p>Please explain how Fiorina is one of the most prominent graduates of UCLA. Also, how is she one of the most represented graduates of a school from which she never graduated -- attending classes for just 4 months? </p>

<p>Is that Berkeley-quality logic and research?</p>

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<p>she's a woman and we all know woman are smarter than men</p>

<p>just look at most uc's acceptance r mostly woman
and look at UCSF Med school and UCSD med school more than the majority are woman</p>

<p>woman have greater intellectual ability</p>

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<p>And how many women have won Nobel prizes or made any type of great discovery? Other than Marie Curie.</p>

<p>Women aren't better or lesser than men.</p>