<p>I can't beleive some of you cant respect any one with an opposing view then yours.</p>
<p>First off i beleive in evolution, theres so much proof for it i find it hard for a person, like my self not to beleive. First off, once you beleive in creationism or evolution you mind is set, very few change their mind on the issue. It has more relation to the way we were raised then what we actually find true. A large portion of the nation beleives in creationism, heck i even had a biology teacher who beleived in it (although he wasnt a good bio teacher). Just because someone beleives in creationism doesn't mean they are less intellectual, it could even be said they are more intellectual if they did beleive in evolition. In thier mind they are citing from a 'factual book' that god created man.</p>
<p>All I have to say about this professor is that he is being progressive in that he is going aginst the trend already set by sciencetists. His therorys go aginst evidence, but how can u let 1 person speak for a university... come on rooster08 is sometimes a jerk but that doesnt mean the whole university is.</p>
<p>Pookdogg, I sure hope you're planning on taking some basic science classes so you can understand things like carbon dating. Have you actually READ Darwin, or just repeating what you learned at Bible class? </p>
<p>Maybe God created the universe. Maybe she didn't.</p>
<p>And yes, susu, I've taken more than my share of basic science classes. And yes, I know what carbon dating is. And as long as we're asking questions, do you know what a fossil record is?</p>
<p>And I'd like to take this opportunity to point out what has become all too common nowadays. I've offered my creationist opinion, and included a very basic outline of what it entails, and hoped that people would at least look into it before calling me ignorant.</p>
<p>But instead, susu here has assumed that (s)he knows better than I, completely disregards the possibilities I presented, and then makes the logical leap that I'm just spouting off something I learned at Bible study. I can promise you there's scientific evidence to support intelligent design and question macroevolution, if you'll only take the time to look. And this, I'm sure, is the overriding point that Professor Johnson is trying to make. Any attempt to do so is written off as right-wing Christian-speak, which is automatically assumed as obsolete and backwards. Anyone else see the fallacy?</p>
<p>Before I got to Berkeley, I was as big an evolutionist as you could find. I learned it in high school, in middle school, it was actually printed in a textbook! Most students, myself included, subconsciously (and consciously) accepted it as truth. Well, macroevolution is more questionable logically than creationism.</p>
<p>And I know it feels good to bash creationists because it makes you feel good, it makes you feel smart. And it's that drive that kept me closed-minded about it until recently. This has little to do with religion, and lots to do with being open to unpopular ideas (something that you should be, Berkeley or no!).</p>
<p>Wow, Berkeley made a law professor transform from a logical, scientific inquirer into a creationist. It has done the same to pookdog. I question Berkeley's ability to make a positive impact on an individual's education.</p>
<p>Hahahaha...Berkeley is cranking out life sciences related majors who subscribe to the theory of evolution as we speak. The irony of the idea that Berkeley is turning out creationists (who have the right to believe what they want) proves quite hillarious.</p>
<p>What are you talking about? That didn't make any sense.</p>
<p>Anyway. I find it funny that you dug yourself a hole that you cannot remove yourself from. Either you support the crackpot Berkeley professor and applaud his anti-intellectual stance, or you condemn him and admit that Berkeley isn't as universally progressive as you claim.</p>
<p>why are you guys criticizing the teacher's religious views? are you saying that because he is a teacher he should be devoid of any religion. i personally believe in evolution of everything but man, because my religion says humans did not develop through evolution. does that make me any less intelligent than you? maybe more faithful but not any less intelligent. if the man is not teaching the subject, then there is no point in criticizing his religious values.</p>
<p>So gertrude since the teacher isnt using logic in his beleifs, should we then beleive that you are anti-intellectual and not progressive since you do not use logic in your Accusations.</p>
<p>I don't understand you guys. I received a Yale likely letter, which they only offer to 100 top applicants. I was, and am, quite proud of that. I have matriculated at Yale and will be going there come next fall. Do you guys feel some compulsion to poke fun about how excited I was to get the likely letter? Yeah, I was pretty damn excited. So what? You would be too if you weren't rejected by HYPS and were forced to attend Berkeley. I find it funny that you guys are so prone to ad hominem attacks. I guess that's the only way you guys know how to argue.</p>
<p>Gutrade, we're not the ones going into your forum and trolling. I'm quite glad you WON'T be at Berkeley because you're an ass hole, plain and simple. Which is not an ad hominem attack on your argument, it's an attack on YOU. Get out of here and have fun with your New Haven buddies. At least WE won't have the dishonor of having George W. Bush as an alumnus. =P</p>
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<p>Ad hominem: This fallacy attacks the person involved, not the issue.
For example, attacking a person for what they do in their personal life, instead of attacking the issue of he or she is capable of doing. This fallacy can be employed in guilt by association as well.</p>
<p>I do believe you attacked the professor personally when you said: "Either you support the crackpot Berkeley professor and applaud his anti-intellectual stance"; keyword would include "crackpot" instead of examining the issue of evolution. </p>
<p>I do believe you made an attack of a person(s) and not an issue when you said:"Since those Stanford bastards rejected me early action..." Name-calling was not very rhetorically effective.</p>
<p>Now, I do have to applaud the fact that you do often resist from ad hominem and name-calling; it is difficult to do, especially when we're so used to it with the mudsling of politicians so often seen in the political arena.</p>
<p>But, fallacies--and we all are fallible to these fallacies--are made when you post as well, such as the "either-or" fallacy I pointed out earlier.</p>
<p>Gutrade is the most arrogant and uneducated idiot on CC. Thank god he didnt decide to attend either Berkeley or UCLA. State schools aren't for people like him. </p>
<p>"You would be too if you weren't rejected by HYPS and were forced to attend Berkeley." Too bad a large porportion of people including me made it to at least one ivy, but decided that Berkeley was better. </p>
<p>You're probably going to be an embarassment to Yale. No college, least of all Berkeley, is looking for someone who is so pretentious.</p>
<p>"I guess that's the only way you guys know how to argue."
Like you know how to argue.</p>
<p>Isn't it amazing that out board gets such a crapload of trolls? We dont ever go on their boards and spew crap. Hell, why would a person who has no association with Berkeley bash Berkeley.</p>
<p>Gutrade didn't get into Yale. He's flat out lying and I know that for a fact. I know him personally and he only got a "likely letter" which he wont shut up about. I asked him a while ago, "Hey, that likely letter is nice and all, but hasn't Yale posted their real admision results?" He didn't want to hear it. He just loves that darn likely letter. It's actually pretty sad that someone has to come onto the internet and lie about where they got inot. Poor fellow.</p>
<p>If anyone wants proof, go back and look at his posts. He makes no mention of ever getting into Yale. Ever. So this kid who post about his "likely letter" like its going out of style is just going to omit the fact that he eventually got into Yale? Sounds a little suspicious, right? Add it up. Actually if you read his posts you'll also see that after stanfurd rejected him he tried to get into Cal but wasn't able to. I saw him the day he found out he wasn't getting into stanfurd or cal. Boy, he was a mess. Weeping, weeping like crazy. Saying he'd never add up to anything. I know the kid and know that yeah, he's probably right, he won't add up to anything, but I just felt so bad for him(so pathetic looking) that I couldn't bring myself to cheer him up.</p>
<p>I couldn't care less. He seems like a bright guy that just has something against Berkeley. Maybe his brother was rejected. Maybe his Dad was fired by a Berkeley graduate.</p>
<p>Look, I realize that I don't have to prove my college admissions to any of you. That would be downright petty. If you don't believe that I have officially enrolled in Yale, well.....that's your problem. It wouldn't affect me in the least bit whatsoever. So do whatever floats your boat, believe whatever you want to believe, disbelieve whatever you want to disbelieve. </p>
<p>Also, I did not get rejected by Berkeley. I didn't even apply cause I missed the deadline. The only reason I thought about applying to Berkeley was because my Early Action rejection from Stanford made me extrememly depressed and ruined my self esteem. I felt that I was going to be rejected everywhere and really needed a decent safety school to fall back on. But in the end, I never needed to apply to Berkeley anyway, and everything worked out just fine. </p>
<p>And my criticisms of Berkeley do not stem from any hatred or scorn or resentment whatsoever. I just want to present the opposing side of the argument whenever you guys toot your own horn and overhype your own school for no reason. Anyway, the hostility here is so overwhelming. I just hope I can somehow be the calming voice of reason and moderation in a storm of neagtive emotions, irrationality, and incredible hostility.</p>
<p>"I don't understand you guys. I received a Yale likely letter, which they only offer to 100 top applicants. I was, and am, quite proud of that"</p>
<p>lol, you're starting to sound like a guy at my school who says:</p>
<p>he got in to berkeley med school ED in his junior year
he got in to harvard ea his senior year
he got a 280 on the psat's
he's a world class violinist/swimmer
he was supposed to go to Philips Exeter but couldnt because it was "too cold, when Harvard-Westlake was just as good" Note well! He didnt go to harvard-westlake</p>
<p>I seriously think this guy has a mental disease</p>