<p>i am amazed that u guys pick on each other's comments with point-by-point analyses. some of u even write essays on ppl's comments. does it really ****ing matter? im just going to post something debate-inciting like "stanford and mit have much smarter students than berkeley" and watch u all go at it.</p>
<p>jeez.</p>
<p>by definition...we are not in the 2nd grade anymore!</p>
<p>sakky , wow you seem to know about Berkeley..</p>
<p>What can you tell me about people going there premed?
What about the College of Chemistry?</p>
<p>well i got rejected from my ivies and am no going to berkeley, so there you go.</p>
<p>Wickedwildthing, here are the historical admit rates for Berkeley premeds.</p>
<p>Hence, in 2003, 37% of Berkeley premeds who applied to med-school got rejected from every single med-school they applied to. That's right -every single one.</p>
<p>Keep in mind that that's only talking about those premeds who actually apply to med-school. Plenty of premeds decide not to apply because they know that their GPA and/or MCAT scores are not good enough to get them in anywhere, so why waste time applying? I would back that up further and say that plenty of hopeful premeds don't even bother taking the MCAT because their GPA is so low that they're not going to get in no matter what. Bear in mind that this is not just a Berkeley-specific problem, but a feature of premeds nationwide. </p>
<p>I don't know that I can tell you much about the College of Chemistry as it specifically relates to premed. What I would say is that you probably don't want to major in chemical engineering from the CoC if you are serious about premed. In short, chemical engineering is just ridiculously hard, and it's far far easier to get a higher GPA with far less work if you major in something else</p>
<p>omg what the link <a href="http://www.stanfordrejects.com%5B/url%5D">www.stanfordrejects.com</a> goes to ucb</p>
<p>I am not ivy league material. I worked hard but I never was the "best". But I'm over that. I got into Cal and I'm going to make a fresh start at Cal. I don't want to dwell in my high school regrets. Cal is a great school. Yeah, it's not the best but if you sit down and take the time to learn the material, you'll know the stuff just as well as another student sitting in a chair in an ivy league. </p>
<p>People who got accepted into Cal are usually in the top 8% or so in their class. And frankly more than 8% of the population is employed. So, damn - we're gonna get employed, we're gonna get enough money to buy our houses, our cars, etc. So what if some guy is making a few K more than you. You got your retirement, wife, kids and all of that financially set up. Man, I will die of a heart attack at 35 if I keep this competitive, must win mindset up! :-P lol</p>
<p>Seriously this ivy league hype is getting out of hand. </p>
<p>At the end of the day, when you are interviewing for investment banking, consulting, etc... your SAT score and interview will matter more than if you went to Harvard or Berkeley. And since Berkeley teaches you how to related to people of all backgrounds, I dare say that Berkeley teaches you more about life than any other school out there. At the end of the day, Berkeley has 800-900 students who scored 1500+ on the SAT in every class(using best math+ best verbal methodology), the highest out of any college campus in the nation. This fact makes recruiters drool. Also coupled with the fact that Berkeley is the most technologically visionary school, along with the number one rated faculty in the world, there is no question in recruiters minds that Berkeley is a ** top priority must recruit spot**, along with Harvard, Wharton, and Stanford. </p>
<p>I turned down UPenn Wharton and Cornell for Berkeley. So did most people when I went to Cal in the mid to late 90's. I don't think anyone I met at Berkeley had an inferiority complex towards Brown and Dartmouth. </p>
<p>Harvard is harvard. The rest of the ivies, frankly are nowhere close to Harvard. Harvard is the only "true ivy league" school, as far as I'm concerned.</p>
<p>"Berkeley has 800-900 students who scored 1500+ on the SAT in every class(using best math+ best verbal methodology), the highest out of any college campus in the nation."</p>
<p>LAUGGGHABLE! and pathetic.</p>
<p>^ Its true. 3500-4000 incoming freshman every year. 75th percentile is 1500. You do the math. </p>
<p>Berkeley has always been number 1 or number 2 in attracting the most number of National Merit Finalists. </p>
<p>Listen, instead of coming up with devious little schemes to maintain this east coast power structure, why not spend your energy in actually working hard and being the best? This is the California way.</p>
<p>Most students picked Berkeley over UPenn and Cornell when I was in high school. Maybe we should erase history just so you can stay in your bubble eh melting snow?</p>
<p>Actually, people are STILL picking Berkeley over UPenn (maybe not Wharton) and Cornell. I did. I chose Berkeley over Brown too. Cornell, especially, seems to lose a lot of potential students to Berkeley, judging from what I've seen around here.</p>
<p>Honestly, the only schools that someone is very unlikely to turn down for Berkeley is HYPSM. The other "lesser" schools in the Ivy League are not "strong" enough to make the decision between them and Berkeley an easy one. Unless, of course, the person in question simply wants the Ivy-league name, regardless of how high (or low) the school sits on the the Ivy League pecking order. Berkeley is not a school of Ivy rejects. Admittedly, there are probably many who were rejected from HYPSM, but from the other Ivies? I don't think so. In fact, you could probably also find many people in those lower Ivies that were themselves HYPSM rejects.</p>
<p>P.S. I know that the S & M in HYPSM are not Ivy League schools. But you know what I mean.</p>
<p>^ I would say HYS. Not HYPSM. First of all, if you are the engineering/science type and want to go to MIT, then you should go to Cal Tech instead. And Princeton is not exactly a place where I would want to go to spend the most precious years of my growing up (as an Asian American). If you go outside of California, only Yale and Harvard are worth it.</p>
<p>But now that I graduated, and I see what people are like from other schools, and how they felt about their undergraduate experiences, I am soooooo happy I went to Berkeley. (I hope non Berkeley students don't read this, why make others sad if u are happy)</p>
<p>You wont find people on any of the Ivy forums sweating whether or not they are as good as, or better than, Berkeley. Take a look. </p>
<p>I have no idea why they wouldnt be worrying and scheming over it like many of you do here; perhaps Berkeley just doesnt matter to them that much. Who knows who cares?</p>
<p>^ Actually, all of the haters of THES London Times ranking are all from the east coast.</p>
<p>So I guess you are wrong. Sorry. hehe. Its not just us, its the entire world that doesn't like the east coast.</p>
<p>West Sidee, once again with the dubious SAT calculations? You have constantly said repeatedly that Berkeley is strong because it has 800-900 students who have scored over 1500+ on the SAT, and from a pure volume standpoint, that is what makes Berkeley so desirable to recruiters. However, I would contend that a school like UTAustin has perhaps even more students who scored over 1500 on the SAT (mostly because UTAustin has almost double the undergraduates that Berkeley does). So does that mean that UTAustin is a better place to recruit at than Berkeley is? I do not believe that. I think very few people would believe that. However, it is you who have contended that the only thing that matters is the total number of high SAT scorers. So, by your own logic, you must concede that UT must be a better place to recruit at than Berkeley is. Either that, or you have to withdraw your assertion that what matters is the total number of high SAT scorers.</p>
<p>Finally, you would say that people who choose engineering should choose Caltech over MIT. Really? So, tell me, what was the #1 rated undergraduate engineering program in USNews in every single year that USNews has run the ranking? What is the consensus overall best engineering school in the world, as measured by the rankings? And in fact, Caltech's yield rate is only about 37% or so, compared to MIT's yield of 65%. Looking at those who got into Caltech but chose to go elsewhere, can you guess what is the #1 school they choose to go to? Yep, it's MIT. Hence, the idea of which is a better engineering school, MIT or Caltech, is not a topic for serious debate. I think even most Caltech students would have to concede that MIT is a better overall engineering school. For sciences, Caltech is fully competitive. But for engineering - I think even Caltech students would generally concede that, overall, MIT is better. Yes, Caltech does some engineering that is better than MIT's, but on the whole, I think it's hard to seriously assert that Caltech is a better engineering school. </p>
<p>Let's also look at the numbers that imply that almost as many students get into Caltech and turn it down to go to MIT than choose to go to Caltech. Think about what that means. Caltech admits about 500 undergrads a year. About 200 will matriculate. Of the 300 that got in but do not matriculate, about 200 of them will choose to go to MIT. Hence, Caltech could fill an entire freshman class solely out of students it admitted, but chose to go to MIT instead. And that doesn't include all those admitted Caltech students who chose to go to other schools like Harvard, Stanford, Harvey-Mudd, or some other place. We're just talking about all the students that MIT steals from Caltech. </p>
<p>Basically, the numbers indicate that MIT steals significantly more students from Caltech than vice versa, whether measured in pure numbers or a percentage basis. Yes, some students turn down MIT for Caltech (including my brother, although the full-tuition/stipent Caltech President's Scholarship had a lot to do with it), but more turn down Caltech for MIT. So if Caltech is really a better school than is MIT, than why is MIT's yield rate so much higher? Why are so many Caltech admittees turning it down for MIT? Are they being dumb? </p>
<p>And finally to about the Times ranking. Not everybody who doesn't like that ranking is from the East Coast. Come on, West Sidee, even you have admitted that you find parts of that ranking to be strange. For example, UCSD is actually higher than UCLA? Hey, don't get me wrong, UCSD is a fine school, but come on, ranked higher than UCLA? I think a lot of UCLA people would (and should) have a problem with that. UCDavis is only ranked #182 in the world, behind even UCSC? I think we can all agree that there's something strange about that.</p>
<p>Did you notice this thread was from 2005?</p>
<p>Yes, we have an adequate supply of ■■■■■■ that come through periodically to make such accusations or start childish taunts about their personal superiority through the proxy of “my dad is better than your dad” claims about their school.</p>
<p>Stanford, UCLA, USC and Rose-Hulman are the most common alma maters whose students feel compelled to come pee all over this board with their rants, but we do get the much less frequent postings from students at UCSD, UChicago, Columbia, NYU and others. Most times, though, the haters are from one of the big four at the beginning of this paragraph. </p>
<p>Have no fear, we will have a steady supply of such threads. No need to recycle.</p>
<p>OP this thread is absolutely pointless</p>
<p>^^^^^ Everyone, look at the date of post #115. This thread is from 2005 as Liquidus has already said. Most of the posters are long gone. Noobs, please look at the dates before you resurrect a dead post just to comment on it.</p>
<p>hilarious.</p>