Berkeley v.s. Emory

College Search & Selection
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<p>Hows the social scenes at both schools??</p>

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<p>bump 10char</p>

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<p>School Name / STARTING MEDIAN SALARY / MID-CAREER MEDIAN SALARY</p>

<p>University of California, Berkeley / $57,100 / $112,000</p>

<p>Emory University / $50,600 / $94,300</p>

<p>Huge difference.</p>

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<p>Berkeley has a lively social scene. There is a smaller Greek contingent. Peeps in the dorms tend to hang out together. Lots of cheap eats, cafes, restaurants and bars all within walking distance. Telegraph Ave is a wild street scene. Football Saturdays are fun in the fall (played on campus except for the upcoming season while stadium undergoes renovations) and the city of Berkeley comes alive with many visiting team supporters. Welcome Week (one week before classes start) is a great way to meet your dorm mates and there are a lot of activities planned - good way to sort of break the ice and socialize before the stress of classes start.</p>

<p>San Francisco and other Bay Area attractions are a short BART train ride away. </p>

<p>I’ll let others comment on Emory.</p>

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<p>Thank you very much. Okay, so I’ve basically ruled out Emory, and I am between USC and Berkeley.</p>

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<p>Another example of why UC attendance is not worth the OOS fee, IMO.</p>

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/1131386-ucla-parents-student-services-cut.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/1131386-ucla-parents-student-services-cut.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>"School Name / STARTING MEDIAN SALARY / MID-CAREER MEDIAN SALARY</p>

<p>University of California, Berkeley / $57,100 / $112,000</p>

<p>Emory University / $50,600 / $94,300</p>

<p>Huge difference. "</p>

<p>That’s because UC Berkeley has a great engineering school. Emory is more like an LAC. Engineers get higher pay than Liberal arts graduates. So, dont compare the school as a whole. But compare the mean and median salary of the business school at both universities. </p>

<p>“I’ve basically ruled out Emory, and I am between USC and Berkeley.”</p>

<p>You are a weird fella. If you could rule out Emory, how can you still be thinking about USC? IMO, UC Berkeley out of state tuition is more worth paying than USC’s private school tuition rate. UC Berkeley > USC!</p>

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Blue, UCLA =/= Berkeley.</p>

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<p>Well, you have a point. But engineering grads at Berkeley only constitute 20% of the alumni body. Though that percentage is higher than that of Emory’s, the simple point is school prestige dictates the success of the school’s career placement, and the salary scale is what would determine that, save for engineering which pays almost equally across all majors and employers. Let me use Yale as an example. We all know Yale does not have a strong engineering program and the engineering student body of Yale is substantially small. Yet the salary scale of Yale alumni is higher than that of Berkeley’s. So, it must be because of the Yale name. If Emory is that prestigious, it would have a record similar to Yale’s. But it does not. Maybe location is a factor too. I am somewhat convinced that it is. But how big is it a factor to sway the data in favor to schools located in megacities? My bet is – it’s not big. Take Occidental College ($45,300 - $95,700) in LA as an example. I guess we can all agree that LA is larger than Atlanta and the standard of living in LA is higher than at Atlanta. But why does Emory have a higher salary scale than Occidental does? Whatever is the answer to that, it proves that location does not solely dictate the salary scale. </p>

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<p>Even that won’t give you a good data. You need to establish what percentage of graduates have found work – and – what percentage is the success rate of the graduates seeking employment to the same company. I think it also would help if we know how many recruiters does the school receive, and what kind of employers those are. </p>

<p>You mentioned Haas vs Emory. Now let’s analyze the data and see for ouselves if Emory does really have an edge over Berkeley. Below are the data I gathered from BW. As the data suggest, it looks like Berkeley is the superior school. </p>

<p>Undergrad student class per year:
Berkeley - 350
Emory - 326 </p>

<p>Admit Rate:
Berkeley - 18% (freshmen applicant data)
Emory - 30%</p>

<p>Relative Importance of Application Elements: SAT/ACT Scores
Berkeley - Important
Emory - Very Important</p>

<p>SAT scores (Median)
Berkeley - 1420
Emory - 1370</p>

<p>Classes with fewer than 20 students:
Berkeley - 29%
Emory - 27%</p>

<p>Classes with more than 50 students:
Berkeley - 9%
Emory - 35%</p>

<p>Number of companies recruiting undergrad students on campus in previous academic year:
Berkeley - 326
Emory - 163</p>

<p>Companies posting full-time job offers on school job boards, previous academic year:
Berkeley - 1,952
Emory - 663</p>

<p>Graduate compensation
Berkeley - $57,519
Emory - $52,000</p>

<p>As per the data, the Emory program is only slightly smaller than Berkeley’s, yet the number of companies the visit at Berkeley count substantially more than those of Emory’s – 1,952 for Berkeley vs 663 only for Emory. Clearly, Berkeley offers far more opportunities than Emory does. Not only that. Berkeley grads are paid more than Emory grads are, from the same source. The data also suggest that Berkeley students are the smarter bunch – having higher GPA and SAT scores, despite that Emory treats SATs VERY IMPORTANT whilst Berkeley treats SATs only as IMPORTANT.</p>

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<p>RML where did you get the data from?
From the official website the average SAT for</p>

<p>Emory: 2105 (1960–2250)
Berkeley : 2031</p>

<p>a 70 point difference</p>

<p>[Facts</a> at a glance - UC Berkeley](<a href=“http://berkeley.edu/about/fact.shtml]Facts”>By the numbers - University of California, Berkeley)
[Admission</a> Statistics | Emory College | Atlanta, GA](<a href=“Welcome to Emory College.”>Welcome to Emory College.)</p>

<p>Admission rate:
25.5 — UC Berkeley (21% when not including Spring 2012 admits)
25.9 — Emory</p>

<p>As for class size read this:
For example, a lecture class with 800 students who met at another time in 40 separate labs with 20 students should be counted once in the ―100+‖ column in the class section column and 40 times under the ―20-29‖ column of the class subsections table.<br>
<a href=“http://cds.berkeley.edu/pdfs/PDF%20wBOOKMARKS%2010-11.pdf[/url]”>http://cds.berkeley.edu/pdfs/PDF%20wBOOKMARKS%2010-11.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Way to “play with the numbers”</p>

<p>Students in Haas must be a privileged bunch at Berkeley, having so many small classes. If you tell your friends you’re in Haas, you will be clubbed to death by the Berkeley pre-meds.</p>

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The quote you made is the direct instructions from the standardized “Common Data Set” form. </p>

<p>Here is Emory’s CDS:
<a href=“http://www.emory.edu/PROVOST/IPR/documents/factbookprofile/CDS2010_2011%20EU_WebCopy21711.pdf[/url]”>http://www.emory.edu/PROVOST/IPR/documents/factbookprofile/CDS2010_2011%20EU_WebCopy21711.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>The report system is flawed in skewing the ratio of big classes to small classes.</p>

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<p>Also to borrow some of the points made in the other posts :</p>

<p>An approximately $80 million cut at Cal. This translate into larger classes, fewer classes, tougher completing recs for dense majors in the sciences and engineering in particular. Not to mention the Cal baseball team, and several other sports were eliminated to save money.</p>

<p>Berkeley is filled with famous faculty, but are these professor really going to interact with you? Sorry, Mr. Big shot is probably busy with research on top of saving money. With 7:1 ratio at Emory, you will have way better professor intimacy. Better intimacy, especially when the professor invites you to his house for dinner means better recommendation. Good recommendations are extremely crucial when you’re trying to get in to grad school or finding a job.</p>

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<p>The sports were reinstated. Get your facts straight.</p>

<p>It’s just a budget proposal…nothing is official yet.</p>

<p>Emory doesn’t have any major NCAA sports.</p>

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<p>chocolatenutz, I think I was very clear that i was providing statistical data for Berkeley-Haas and Emory’s business school.</p>

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<p>Using the data from a few privileged minor is really misleading. The OP did not say he has been accepted to Haas. And the budget cut is going to happen, so are the sports teams, so stop denying it like an ostrich, head buried in sand. So what Emory doesn’t have a division 1 sports team? Instead of spending so much money on these teams Emory spent it on the students. Don’t give the no school spirit crap, or post that Emory for fun.</p>

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<p>^ “Fun at Emory” is a classic!</p>

<p>Sports teams were reinstated:
[Cal</a> Reinstates Three Sports, Not Baseball](<a href=“AOL - News, Politics, Sports, Mail & Latest Headlines - AOL.com”>AOL - News, Politics, Sports, Mail & Latest Headlines - AOL.com)
[Breaking</a> news: Cal baseball reinstated | Berkeleyside](<a href=“http://www.berkeleyside.com/2011/04/08/breaking-news-cal-baseball-reinstated/]Breaking”>http://www.berkeleyside.com/2011/04/08/breaking-news-cal-baseball-reinstated/)</p>

<p>Emory’s going through some budget cuts too:
[Budget</a> Cut Limits Dept. Activities | The Emory Wheel](<a href=“http://www.emorywheel.com/detail.php?n=26523]Budget”>http://www.emorywheel.com/detail.php?n=26523)
[Deep</a> cuts wound Emory’s libraries | A&E Feature | Creative Loafing Atlanta](<a href=“http://clatl.com/atlanta/deep-cuts-wound-emorys-libraries/Content?oid=1284039]Deep”>http://clatl.com/atlanta/deep-cuts-wound-emorys-libraries/Content?oid=1284039)
[Music</a> Dept. Copes With Budget Cuts | The Emory Wheel](<a href=“http://www.emorywheel.com/detail.php?n=26495]Music”>http://www.emorywheel.com/detail.php?n=26495)</p>