<p>2 3 justice.</p>
<ol>
<li>boston university</li>
<li>university of chicago</li>
<li>university of richmond</li>
</ol>
<p>not really but i would love to go to those schools. hey seriously what would you say are the top private universities are that don't recieve a great amount of attention?</p>
<p>University of Chicago doesnt receive as much attention as it deserves.</p>
<p>What about all the top liberal arts schools???? SWARTHMORE, AMHERST, WILLIAMS.. how could you leave those out?!</p>
<p>Alexandre,</p>
<p>
Even I think you usually make good posts, I have to say Northwestern is considerably more selective.</p>
<p>Below is quoted from yahoo:</p>
<p>
[quote]
U of Michigan:
Admission 25,943 applied, 13,814 admitted, 5,551 enrolled
Test scores SAT verbal scores over 500 95%, SAT math scores over 500 97%, ACT scores over 18 99%, SAT verbal scores over 600 70%, SAT math scores over 600 84%, ACT scores over 24 90%, SAT verbal scores over 700 20%, SAT math scores over 700 39%, ACT scores over 30 34% </p>
<p>Northwestern:
Admission 14,137 applied, 4,702 admitted, 1,941 enrolled
Test scores SAT verbal scores over 500 98%, SAT math scores over 500 99%, ACT scores over 18 99%, SAT verbal scores over 600 90%, SAT math scores over 600 93%, ACT scores over 24 95%, SAT verbal scores over 700 50%, SAT math scores over 700 56%, ACT scores over 30 70%
[/quote]
Initially I thought maybe NU has higher acceptance rate (NU making its own application instead of using common application keeps the pool rather self-selective); but that's not the case. The average SAT I of NU's ENROLLED class of 2008 was 1398; I don't think Michigan's score is anywhere close to that, regardless if its enrolled or admitted. Note also the difference in ACT>30; it's huge. I realize scores aren't everything and other intangibles do come into play; but one would expect it's NU that looks at those intangibles more closely anyway. I don't know what the US News people were smoking.</p>
<p>just my personal rankings based on overall USNWR rankings in undergrad (i doubled its weight), law, med research, med primary care, business, education, engineering, public policy, science/math average, social sciences/humanities average, and the arts. since i put more weight on grad programs, schools lacking multiple grad/professional programs were hurt in my rankings. of course, this is all based on rankings provided by USNWR, which i dont always agree with in the 1st place</p>
<ol>
<li>Stanford</li>
<li>Harvard</li>
<li>Princeton</li>
<li>MIT</li>
<li>Yale</li>
<li>Duke</li>
<li>Michigan</li>
<li>Columbia</li>
<li>UCLA</li>
<li>UC Berkeley</li>
<li>Cal Tech</li>
<li>Northwestern</li>
<li>Chicago</li>
<li>Pennsylvania</li>
<li>Johns Hopkins</li>
<li>Wisconsin</li>
<li>Carnegie Mellon</li>
<li>Cornell</li>
<li>Illinois</li>
<li>Washington U</li>
<li>Virginia</li>
<li>UCSD</li>
<li>UNC</li>
<li>Emory</li>
<li>NYU</li>
<li>Texas</li>
<li>Washington</li>
<li>Brown</li>
<li>Vanderbilt</li>
<li>USC</li>
<li>Minnesota</li>
<li>Dartmouth</li>
<li>Rochester</li>
<li>Georgetown</li>
<li>Notre Dame</li>
<li>Wake Forest</li>
<li>Rice</li>
<li>Maryland</li>
<li>Penn State</li>
<li>Georgia Tech</li>
</ol>
<p>SAM LEE, Northwestern's students have slightly higher test scores. The mean SAT score of the Northwestern's entering class is rouhly 1400 compared to 1320 for Michigan and the mean ACT score of Northwestern entering class is 30 compared to Michigan's 28. So obviously, there is a difference in test scores. However, that's because Michigan does not consider standarized tests as heavily as Northwestern. But Michigan's students are just as driven and just as accomplished. Students at both those universities come from similar high schools, have similar grades, take equally challenging classes and have similar class ranks. I agree that Northwestern is a little more selective, but the student bodies are pretty much the same in terms of potential and ability.</p>
<p>kfc4u,</p>
<p>If you don't agree with the UNSWR ranking in the first place, why do you set your personal ranking using UNSWR data as well? What makes it more credible than the current version.</p>
<p>Wait, does University of Michigan use best one sitting score on its SAT? Or best verbal + best math like Northwestern and most privates do? That different methodology alone could make up 30-50 points in the difference. BTW, I hope Michigan beats the smack out of Texas. Vote fraud should not be rewarded in the BCS, presidential election, or even a young 10 year old democracy like the Ukraine.</p>
<p>Rtksyg, I do not believe in the USNWR, but I agree with the Peer Assessment they use. That's because the Peer Assessment is not theirs. Anybody could come up with that peer assessment. </p>
<p>I personally like kfc4u's rankings, although I must admit some universities are a little too high (Duke, Michigan, UCLA, Wisconsin come to mind) and others are a little too low (CalTech, Cal, Cornell, Brown and Dartmouth). </p>
<p>However, those discrepancies are few in number and not outrageous. I personally would rank Cal and Caltech #6 and #7 in no particular order. Cornell would make my top 15 list. Brown and Dartmouth would be in my top 20 but not in my top 15. Michigan and Duke would make my top 10-15 list, but they would not be as high as #7 and #6. UCLA would make my top 20 list and Wisconsin would make my top 25 list.</p>
<p>At any rate, my point is that one does not have to agree with the USNWR's undergraduate ranking to agree with its graduate ranking or with components of its undergraduate ranking. That's like saying you have to agree with George Bush to be a republican!</p>
<p>WEST SIDE, I hope Michigan doesn't let you down! LOL</p>
<p>Sigh, when shall Northwestern see another Rose Bowl????????</p>
<p>When Michigan beats Kellogg in the BusinessWeek MBA rankings! LOL Didn't that happen in 1996? I think that year, Northwestern went to the Rose Bowl and Michigan was ranked #2 in the BW MBA ranking (Kellogg was either #3 or #4)!</p>
<p>Indeed; Northwestern lost to USC in 1996. In fact the only other Rose Bowl in which the school participated (and won) was in 1949 against Cal. </p>
<p>On a side note, I enjoyed getting on the tour bus and going to Ann Arbor for the Michigan-Northwestern game this year. :)</p>
<p>NO WAY!!! I was at the game this year. I flew all the way from Dubai for the Michigan vs Northwestern game. My cousin came from Northwestern too (Michigan BS now doing his MBA at Kellogg). It was a bit of a reunion. Too bad I didn't know you were there. It would have been cool to meet up for a drink. After the game, I went to Chicago for a few days, stayed at the best hotel in town and ate at the best restaurants! I love Chicago!!!</p>
<p>So do I! LOL</p>
<p>Alexandre,</p>
<p>Hmm, it depends on whether you're talking about undergraduate or graduate study. For undergraduate, Caltech wins hands down, better environment, stronger student body, better resources, don't you agree? For graduate study, they have similar prestige level, hence I would say that Caltech should be placed ahead of Cal.</p>
<p>rtkysg, </p>
<p>what i tried to do was to combine all the major rankings that the usnwr does to see how each school fairs overall (undergrad, grad, and professional programs combined). we often place more value on certain fields that we are more familiar with (undergrad, law, business, engineering, medicine) and forget or overlook those that are not as popular (the arts, education). and we tend to only point out the strong programs of certain schools and ignore the weaker programs at those schools. in my rankings, schools that ranked above average on multiple fields would get ranked higher than those which ranked exceptional in a few but average in many others. the usnwr is the only rankings available to me to use as a resource that provides me data for the categories that i used.</p>
<p>University of Chicago should start a business program! It could be really good considering its location. If it had a business program it would probably get more attention.</p>
<p>Er, it already has one</a> of the top 10 business programs.</p>
<p>Yeah I think University of Chicago should start a business school too! And maybe after that they can form a law school and a medical school. Wow, think of the possibilities! Oh wait...they already have all those. :( My bad!</p>