best colleges for B students

<p>NJres - How far away (in drive time) is McDaniel from Baltimore?</p>

<p>mosby,
Please elaborate on your plug for Sacred Heart. S liked it, but H and I loved it. I only have one recommendation from a friend from son's summer league (although it was a very heartfelt positive one) and don't know much about its reputation. S applied there--although it is not his first choice he feels he could be very happy there. He's quite a bit above the average SAT there, but it appeared to be a good fit. Lots and lots of personal attention, such as a mentor to keep them on track with grades, etc.<br>
Thanks again everyone.
And NJres, thanks for the info--I had read about McDaniel in Pope's book, but couldn't convince S to look at it-he doesn't want to "explain himself" every time he tells someone where he is going to school. (Neither of us had heard of it before) I'm sorry we didn't look at it early in the process when he listened to me!</p>

<p>Hey Fendergirl, I've got a 52 RI Telecaster, Custom surf green Stratocaster, HRD Delux amp, and a Duck Dunn Precision bass with a SWR Workingman's 15 amp. By any chance do you play blues? :-)</p>

<p>haha jake, i don't think we should be discussing music in here :) but no, i'm more of a rock person.. i'm still learning really.. i can play some punk stuff and some rock stuff... never really tried any blues, i don't think i'm good enough yet :)</p>

<p>lets hear it for the super mario brothers theme song!</p>

<p>Fender, I can't tell you how delightful it is when some of my imaginings become true.
Got the PM, haven't checked the link yet but will.</p>

<p>According to their website McDaniel is 31 miles from Baltimore and 56 miles from Washington D.C. I don't think it's all highway miles, so I would guess 45 minutes from Baltimore? It was a 3.5 hour haul for us! Westminster is a pretty small town, < 20k. McDaniel recently changed their name from "Western Maryland" which apparently was quite confusing because they are located in the eastern part of the state! The original name came from the Western Maryland Railroad.</p>

<p>Chocolate, how about University Of Delaware, Northeastern, Penn State (although I wouldn't pay the out of state tuition to go there), or Arcadia?</p>

<p>A lovely, small up-and-coming school in Springfield, MA is Western New England College. S. was admitted EA in Engineering - it's a strong contender. It offers an interesting combination of programs. In addition to Engineering, there's a Business school, 3-3 Law program, and of course, Arts and Sciences. We had a hard time finding strong Engineering coupled with other programs. Disadvantage is Springfield is not a terribly nice city. Anyone else know about this school?</p>

<p>Hi - It's in the Midwest but I suggest you take a peek at HIRAM COLLEGE in Ohio and it really is worth investigating . Like the Loren Pope book , it really did change my D's life ...................SUNY Geneseo is not a B student school ( it's very hard to get into - it's considered the Public Harvard of the SUNY system )</p>

<p>Easydoesitmom - Your daughter goes to Hiram? How does she like the Hiram schedule? And, how does she feel about the small size of the student body?</p>

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Disadvantage is Springfield is not a terribly nice city.

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Advantage: Basketball Hall of Fame! :)</p>

<p>Geneseo is definitely not for B students. Most of the kids from S's school that go there have over 1250, 5 or more ap's and are in the top 10-15%. A note about name recognition: my brother in law hires for a large NYC bank and is from NJ. He never heard of Geneseo and said if he saw that on a resume it wouldn't help a candidate.
That's not to say a candidate wouldn't be hired, it's just that it wouldn't hold any weight with him. I know of two grads from there -03-that have not found jobs--they complain that they lose jobs to grads from higher profile schools. I still feel that a good education is a good education no matter where you get it from. You have to work at finding a job no matter where you graduate from. Geneseo should do a major marketing blitz! Taking more out-of-staters would help too.</p>

<p>Many of the SUNY schools are in rurual areas, and would not be a good fit. Albany and Buffalo are easier to get into and are in larger cities, but both have "institutional" appearances which were a huge turnoff to my S. (I know--it's the quality that counts, but...) My husband and I both went to a rural SUNY and were extrememly dissatisfied. Of course, things may have changed in 20 years.</p>

<p>Anyone know anything about LeMoyne? In case S does not get in where he wants, we should probably research a few more schools.</p>

<p>Also, S received no fee, no new essay app from Allegheny. I truly thought this school was out of his reach, despite what Pope writes in his book. They have an 80% (or something like that) acceptance rate. Is this a self-selected applicant pool?</p>

<p>And finally, I have directed quite a few people to this thread--you are helping many people with your knowledge and insights.</p>

<p>How about Pa state schools like Millersville, West Chester, etc? Those all have avg. SAT ranges from 1000 - 1100. There is no PA state resident advantage except they pay less in tuition. A school that's close to me that doesn't get much talk on this board is Moravian College in Bethlehem. Moravian is across the Lehigh river from Lehigh University and has a good reputation in this area. Students at Lehigh, Lafayette, Moravian, Muhlenberg and DeSales can take classes from each others colleges. I think all of these colleges are in the $25,000 + range, but some (DeSales and Moravian) are easier to get into then others.</p>

<p>IMHO, Delaware, Penn State (main campus), Villanova, Haverford, and Swat would be reaches, especially the last two. Haverford's acceptance rate is something like 32% and Swat's is 24%. </p>

<p>I think it would be a lot better to help students find match schools if we have more info then stats. We can all keep listing schools that have the right numbers. We're no better then counselor-o-matic unless we can suggest schools based on the bigger picture. Or did I read this too fast and missed a follow up where he said some interests, financial info, etc?</p>

<p>okay, now I do feel stupid. I see your post chocolate, right on top of mine! </p>

<p>My neighbor visited McDaniel with her son and his friend last year. Mom loved it, kids didn't. I would recommend that one as well as Towson. We visited Towson in September and although I think son liked Juniata more, if proximity to a city is important, Towson would fit that bill. It's about 15 minutes (or so they told us) from Baltimore. Walking distance to downtown Towson, which has nice shops, bookstores and a theatres. My neighbors son is a freshman at Towson and is REALLY enjoying it. His SAT's were about 1100. I think there are quite a few students from mid-atlantic states so getting a ride home wouldn't be a problem.</p>

<p>Hey Chocolate. We're looking at the same type of schools. I just posted a new thread trying to get info from VA and NC parents. My d hates cold weather and can't see herself at SUNY Brockport or Oneonta. I went to SUNY Oswego so I do know how cold it gets. We looked at West Chester and she thought it was ok. We also looked at Rowan in NJ. As my d does not want to go to college in NJ, we did not even stay for the campus tour- but I thought it had possibilities. During the Feb. break we will look at Towson- York (Pa)- Old Dominion and other state schools in Va. Hopefully we can get additional input from the south and maybe we'll make it down to Florida (I mean a CC thread) before the first snowfall.</p>

<p>Let me put in a plug here for UNC - Wilmington, relatively great weather, lots of personalized attention if you seek it esp. through the Honors or Learning Communities programs</p>

<p>marny if you want to know anything about York (pa) i can help you out :)</p>

<p>Thanks fendergirl. We have a friend's daughter at York and she seems to like it alot. I think my daughter will do an overnight in the dorm with her and also do a campus tour this Feb. If we still need additional info, I'll contact you. Thanks</p>

<p>sure. i'm a senior so i've been around :)</p>

<p>marny, H and I went to Oswego. I have never known cold like I felt in Oswego! We graduated in 82.<br>
We looked at Towson and S liked it, and I loved it. H was lukewarm due to size. (He feels a smaller college is a better fit, and he's probably right.) It was a pretty campus, and we got the feeling that it was an active student body. There were kids milling about all over the place on a Sat at noon. It's the perfect distance from NY, about 30% out of state, and it's fairly well-known in NY. I have found mixed academic information about this school, so I don't truly know what the 50% range is for SAT's but one source said the average was 1070 or so. My s has decent SAT's and some AP's but has consistently bad grades in math throughout HS which has hurt his GPA. Towson adcom that 99% have GPA's over 3.0, and the average is 3.4. They re-weight them but only add .5 for AP and .25 for Honors. They have a good solid selection of majors and minors and claim that average class size is around 25. (Does anyone really tell the truth about this?)</p>

<p>And Towson is quite close to Baltimore, which is a fabulous city. There were college kids walking around the cobblestone streets by the Inner Harbor. There were a number of nice restaurants to choose from as well. We really enjoyed our day there. The proximity (10 mins) to all those businesses must create awesome opportunities for internships. </p>

<p>If you are Catholic and/or don't mind a Catholic college, we looked at a number of them: Scranton, Marist, Quinnipiac (not Catholic, but 75% of students are), St. Joseph's in Philly, and Sacred Heart (which accepts a very wide range of students). All wonderful schools.</p>

<p>Sacred Heart is one of my favorites, as well as H's. Our son needs an advisor/mentor on a regular basis, and from the few people I know whose children have attended-they provide the hand-holding that we feel S needs. I would love to know more from anyone who knows about this school. </p>

<p>I don't have firsthand knowledge of Old Dominion, but a neighbor's daughter lives near there and said it is a very large commuter school. My cousin told me Radford is very nice, which is a public in VA. The only school we looked at in VA was JMU, and S fell in love with it. I hear you need very strong (over 1200, A- unweigted average) for out-of state students. It was a beautiful campus with a lot to offer. </p>

<p>My S liked a range of schools, big to small, in cities or suburbs. The one thing he absolutey won't consider is rural. And very small (under 1500 is out of the question).</p>

<p>And Kathiep,
I read with great interest your post on Juniata-it made me want to sign s up for a tour, but I don't think I can take anymore!</p>