<p>nspeds did you go to Georgetown freshman year?</p>
<p>No, I was admitted as a sophomore transfer.</p>
<p>WF - I believe Greek-Life is banned at Rice; they make students sign an agreement to not join a fraternity or a sorority.</p>
<p>from...:D?</p>
<p>lol nspeds...I meant ancient Greek. ;)</p>
<p>I'll keep that in mind, though. You had almost convinced me to apply there; Now...;)</p>
<p>Yeah Wildflower I hope to avoid most of Greek. I'll take some though and see how I like it. I like Latin A LOT, though. Any Latin I take will be translation, I refuse to go through a grammar class, but I really want to learn German, so that'll be my new language. I think anyone in college should have to learn a new language.</p>
<p>WF - It is nearly 2 in the morning, and I have to return to reading on act-utilitarianism, so I am about half-conscious.</p>
<p>I transferred from a small four-year university in Houston; my dream school was (is?) Rice. I was thinking of waiting another year and applying again, but I decided that I wanted to focus on my goals instead of spending time on essays, recs, and so on when I will be doing the same again for law schools.</p>
<p>Regarding the Greek System: Rice supplants the Greek System with the Residential College system; it is identical to Yale's. Every student is assigned to one of the colleges (permanently), and each has their own traditions and all are enormous rivals. In fact, I recall one of the colleges being put for auction on eBay.</p>
<p>My favorite activity, by far, is Baker 13: On the 13 (and 31st) of every month, students strip naked and don shaving cream in an attempt to smear every window on campus with their bums.</p>
<p>"My favorite activity, by far, is Baker 13: On the 13 (and 31st) of every month, students strip naked and don shaving cream in an attempt to smear every window on campus with their bums."</p>
<p>lol:D -I am sold</p>
<p>Although i can't find the info, geminihop posted on another thread about how well phil majors do on the lsat- the best overall, i think, or if not, better than everyone on the writing section (even english majors), and better than all but math and econ majors in the numbers games. I am sorry that i couldn't find the info for you, but i think i am near correct. Try searching for it. Phil majors have most likely dont law related analysis and logical, precise writing, including drafting arguments, viewing weaknesses of argument, and more, fantastic law school practice.</p>
<p>I think you may be referring to this list:</p>
<p>Remember, this doesn't necessarily prove causation, only correlation.</p>
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<p>Sure, to conclude that majoring in philosophy per force yields a higher LSAT score is to commit the post hoc fallacy; however, that does not negate the possibility of it being so.</p>
<p>The possibility of it being so is not a ludicrous notion; majors in analytic philosophy are especially adept in translating ordinary language propositions into symbolic logic schemata, testing for validity using various tactics, and assessing the statement itself. The LSAT presents its questions in logical form; that is, they use functors to connect and imply certain statements, all of which can, and should, be assessed logically.</p>
<p>That analytic philosophy majors should have an easier time is no surprise; moreover, analytic majors are typically given assignments wherein one must shift between the mechanical nature of symbolic logic and ordinary, coherent, exposition. It requires proficiency not only in writing and abstract thinking, but also in mathematical/symbolic thinking.</p>
<p>Philosophy majors also spend their four years not writing as much as possible, but fitting as much as they can in as little as possible. This means that most analytic majors will be working on preciseness, conciseness, and pithyness (I just fabricated a new word). This is not an easy skill to master; it has been difficult for me to relinquish eloquence in favor of brusqueness. As you can see from my current style of writing, I am vacillating between the two:)</p>
<p>You know you are in an upper-level philosophy class when students moan at a 12 page assignment; not because it is too much room, but because it is too little. I know professors who penalize students for going over the mark.</p>
<p>jonri, i haven't seen that, but it's the same. Here are the links, sorry i couldn't find them before.</p>
<p>"07-12-2005, 03:46 AM #11<br>
geminihop
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<p>Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: California - Soon to Be Berkeley!!!
Age: 18
Posts: 332 My Intro to Philosophy Professor at Harvard SSP last year actually gave us handouts on the "value" of majoring in Philosophy. He gave us statistics specifically on Philosophy majors' performance on tests such as the LSAT.</p>
<p>Here are excerpts and links to his handouts: <a href="http://courses.dce.harvard.edu/%7Ephils4/lsat.html%5B/url%5D">http://courses.dce.harvard.edu/~phils4/lsat.html</a></p>
<p>The performance of PHILOSOPHY MAJORS on all three tests was remarkable:</p>
<p>PHILOSOPHY MAJORS received higher scores on the LSAT, for instance, than students in all other humanities areas, and higher scores than all social and natural science majors except economics and mathematics, and higher scores than all applied majors. </p>
<p>Moreover, the differences are in most cases substantial: </p>
<p>PHILOSOPHY MAJORS scored 10% better than political science majors on the LSAT. </p>
<p>and a chart: <a href="http://www.philosophy.eku.edu/scores.htm%5B/url%5D">http://www.philosophy.eku.edu/scores.htm</a></p>
<p>~Just thought it was interesting...he provided us all this info. on the first day of class! A little overwhelming, but interesting to look at."</p>
<p>Could someone teach me how to use the quote feature? I've asked several people, but for some reason, I was unable to grasp the concept :)</p>
<p>thanks, DRab, for stealing my info! ;)</p>
<p>whether it proves causation or not, the info. certainly was interesting and my prof. was quite passionate.</p>
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<p>How dare he stoop so low;)</p>
<p>The quote feature is used by enclosing the text to be quoted by <quote> and </quote> tags, except that '<' and '>' are replaced by '[' and ']', respectively.</p>
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<p>The passionate philosophy major never looks for the practical value in their field of study; how dare we stoop to the pre-professional level?!</p>
<p>Facetiousness aside, I would just like to add the caveat that these 'LSAT benefits' - if causation is indeed present - can only be realized by analytic philosophy. Focusing on Heidegger, Hegel, Nietszche, Sartre, Foucault, Derrida, and so on will get you nowhere quickly - is my personal vendetta against continental philosophy not pellucid? </p>
<p>Who was your professor at Harvard?</p>
<p>Professor Andreas Teuber (here's his bio if you're interested: <a href="http://courses.dce.harvard.edu/%7Ephils4/bio.html%5B/url%5D">http://courses.dce.harvard.edu/~phils4/bio.html</a> ). He actually teaches during the rest of the school year at Brandeis, but he received his undergrad. and grad. degrees at Harvard. He was very entertaining and obviously eager to share is passion, I enjoyed his class immensely. :)</p>
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<p>I am already envious. I would have done anything to work under those two.</p>
<p>Yay philosophy majors! I just bought "Leviathan" today by Thomas Hobbes and it should be fantastic.</p>
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<p>You studied with Mephistopheles?!?! Wowzah. </p>
<p>nspeds, wouldn't you say understanding people like Sartre and Derrida will make law look like kids' play? Also, there is nothing to back up your claim. In addition, people shouldn't study philosophy for lsat benefits, just like they generally shouldn't do math for the lsat benefits. I once read a quote, "Mathematicians are born, not made." To a great degree, this is true with philosophers. Plenty of people can do math or understand philosophy, but for the incredible breakthroughs, . . . okay, i'll stop rambling.</p>
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nspeds, wouldn't you say understanding people like Sartre and Derrida will make law look like kids' play?
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You raise a good question, and one I have ruminated upon for a while. I tend to think of the Postmodernists/Continentals as polar opposites with law. Whereas the latter emphasizes the use of logical functors, statements, precision, coherentness, and so on, the former is laced with obscurity. From the different 'ontologies' that Heidegger's text is laden with, to the infamous phrase 'nothing nothings', continental philosophy does not apply the same rigour that analytic philosophy does. </p>
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<p>I agree.</p>
<p>If one really likes Derrida, Foucault, and so on, I am sure they can do some courses in Symbolic and Mathematical Logic to provide a minimal degree of preparation. I tend to favor analytic philosophy because of the long-term benefits in jurisprudence (which is my focus), and by extension, law. Legal texts, statutes, and so on, possess the same logical reasoning, albiet with tenfold more footnotes, that you will find in analytic philosophy. </p>
<p>I was once told that for analytic philosophers, going to law school is akin to stepping back into warm water. Many of them are already accustomed to the dry reading, and their minds are honed to the mechanistic - if not destructive - nature of logical reasoning.</p>
<p>I personally like the Continentals, but I am not considering it as a focus. It just isn't me:) (gasp, a contraction).</p>
<p>nspeds, could you expand on this quotation?</p>
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<p>haha maybe i just want to use the quote feature cause NOW I KNOW HOW TO!!!</p>
<p>what else can you say about philosophy majors and law school?</p>
<p>Ancient Greek becomes really easy after the second glass of wine. Trust me on this one. ;)</p>
<p>Classics is a great major for law school - although Latin might be more practical than Greek.</p>