Thousands?
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That is probably an exaggeration but the state of Calif alone has probably 1000+ NMFs, of which many/most probably apply to USC.
The point should be: Just because USC offers a half-tuition NMF award, does not mean that being a NMF is a push for admissions…like it would be at OTHER schools that offer big NMF awards.
I doubt USC accepts many unhooked kids with any C’s - because they don’t have to.
“That is probably an exaggeration but the state of Calif alone has probably 1000+ NMFs, of which many/most probably apply to USC.”
Uh, its not an exaggeration. Not recently…
USC is now well known for its automatic NMF scholarship, and can pick and choose who it wants to accept [and who it wants to offer 1/2 price tuition discounts to]
Every top college has FA budget constraints .
So can you cite the source for saying that “thousands” of NMF are turned down by USC?
the head of admissions.
we have had many email conversations.
DS went to USC on a full tuition scholarship and was cited by the President of USC at the graduation ceremony. His name is on the Alumni Hall of Fame wall.
I have over the past 10 years posted hundreds of times on CC about USC’s scholarship programs and helped to raise awareness of USC and of the ways it was changing from the “university of spoiled children” to what is now an outstanding university.
10 years ago not many NMF’s applied to USC.
That has changed greatly in the past few years.
So what are the figures? They enrolled 246 in a recent class. How many did they admit and how many did they reject?
he does not give out figures- he mentioned that 6 years ago they accepted about 50% of NMF’s and that percentage has gone down dramatically recently.
Also, most of the Full Tuition scholarship winners are also NMF’s .
look at how many applications they use to receive and how many they received last year and do the math…
It would be hard to believe the admission rate of NMSF at USC would be much lower than the overall admission rate at USC. With 16,000 NMSF each year, it needs at least 15% of them applying to USC in order to have >2000 got rejected. I doubt if there are 15% of NMSD even think about USC. Not for my kid. We don’t even think about other schools offer automatic scholarships to NMF. There are simply many options available.
I am doing the math.
Looking at USC admission statistics:
http://www.collegedata.com/cs/data/college/college_pg02_tmpl.jhtml?schoolId=1138
20% admit rate, 37% yield, 246 NMF enrolled.
The only way to get “thousands” of rejected NMF is if NMF gives NO admission benefit and if NMF yields as well as normal admits (both unlikely assumptions): admit 246/.37=665 NMF and reject 665/.2-665=2660 NMF.
None of those figures are credible.
I dont think it is not credible that over 1000 are rejected…
NO where did I say 2000 were rejected.
“Thousands” means multiple groups of 1000, i.e. at least 2000.
It’s probably above one thousand and considerably less than two thousands.
If it’s within half an order of magnitude, it’s probably not worth arguing about.
Geez folks, was thinking of them having 43,000 students (thousands too many) at the time I wrote it and I know over time they have turned away thousands of NMF. But reasonable mom2college kids read correctly, it was just a point being made. Next time I will use zillions or some vague term that means “a lot” so the cc police don’t pull me over. 
Point is they turn away a lot of NMF. NMF doesn’t mean much with a low gpa there is the point. USC does reward well obviously if you get in with it, but there are plenty applying that have high gpa and test score. Some might argue being an NMF with a low gpa could hurt you further cause why do they want to pay 1/2 of your tuition when others may bring a better score package?
We do understand you made an exaggerated expression. It is interesting that someone else said it is NOT exaggerated so we would like to see some proof of it. I am not surprised if there are over a thousand NMSF got rejected by USC.
I’ll check with my source.
to be continued…
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I dont think it is not credible that over 1000 are rejected…
NO where did I say 2000 were rejected.
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Then why did you object to my statement??
the person stated that USC rejects “thousands of NMFs”.
I stated that that was probably an exaggeration.
And then you said, “Uh, not an exaggeration. Not recently…”
What is YOUR definition of “thousands”??
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Point is they turn away a lot of NMF. NMF doesn’t mean much with a low gpa there is the point. USC does reward well obviously if you get in with it, but there are plenty applying that have high gpa and test score.
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Yes, USC does turn down many NMF applicants every year. A problem GPA is likely going to get rejected without some other hook. I don’t know if USC has some problems recruiting from some states. If so, then that could be a hook for a NMF with a problem GPA.
That said, we’re not even sure if this student will make NMF since 2 C’s is often a deal-breaker.
Beyond USC, another school that gives merit aid on scores is UT Dallas which is ranked for CS. There is not a guarantee but it could be up to full tuition and fees and $3000/semester for a 35 ACT. It’s facilities are new and lots of internship/coop/research possibilities. Also, I believe University of Arizona offers $20,000 for NMSF status and has a good CS program.
That’s really helpful. I have not looked into UT Dallas and did not know it’s ranked. I thought U of AZ offered for Finalist, and will look into NMSF. I appreciate your help
wow…quite a discussion…not a helpful one but an interesting one. I get all the points considered. You may all be right…my kid’s a different kid. Team player, an ensemble guy…glue…might not get in probably won’t get in …has some hopeful cards to play…my brother is a faculty member,might not matter, probably doesn’t…is trying to get into a unique program the Iovine Young program that is a different kind of school seeking a different kind of kid. Again, thanks for all your help
Michigan State stacks scholarships. My son was a NMF last year and is attending on what is essentially a full scholarship. OOS students who are NMFs and select MSU as their top choice get free room and board and $4,000. Admission to the Honors College (which is not nearly as competitive as other schools) will get you in-state tuition and another $3,000 and the opportunity for a Professorial Assistantship worth an additional $2500/yr. Individual colleges also have scholarships available - the CoE came up with an additional $1500 for us.
They are also starting a Computational Science program in the next couple of years and have recruited faculty from some of the top schools in the U.S.
If your son applies, he will almost certainly be invited to compete in the Distinguished Alumni Scholarship Competition. This is essentially a recruiting weekend for high stats students. The odds of winning a full scholarship are long - but the school does a great job of selling itself and you would have a chance to make personal connections with people who might be able to come up with additional scholarship money for you. Our initial FA package would have left us with about $10,000/yr to cover. At that point, Northwestern and Amherst College were at the top of his list. By the end of the Spring, we thought we’d have to cover about $2,000. When he enrolled, he wound up getting a check for about $700 with another $1,000 to follow when National Merit Scholarship money is sent out.
MSU is not the state flagship, but is a top 75 National University according to USNews (for whatever that’s worth) and, I believe, a Top 40 National Public University.