<p>"When you think about it, don't some of us students work 80-100 hours a week, including class time, homework/studying, extracurriculars, and jobs?"</p>
<p>Hmm, honestly, I'd say 120 to 140 here -No, I am not joking, nor lying; I 'catch up' on sleep whenever I can. Excellent point, Sarah.</p>
<p>Personally, if my kids were spending 80-100 hours a week working/studying at school, I would be very concerned that there was not enough "balance" in their lives. I apprecaite hard work, heck I went about being a lawyer the hard way -- working all day and going to law school at night. But I did so an adult, having had my "fun" when I was younger.</p>
<p>So, in my opinion, everything in moderation -- even hard work.</p>
<p>Lets all remember that 80 hours in a law firm is differant than 80 hours of high school. No recess people!!!</p>
<p>Wildflower: "mm, honestly, I'd say 120 to 140 here"</p>
<p>Are you joking? 120/7=17-ish hours and 140/7=20 hours. I honestly doubt you do 17-20 hours of academic work a day. Even at Exeter, we don't do that much work. That much work would be classified by most psychiatrists as a mental disease under DSM-IV-TR. It is completely absurd.</p>
<p>Faithfully Submitted,
Cesare de Borgia</p>
<p>Read this:</p>
<p>"'When you think about it, don't some of us students work 80-100 hours a week, including class time, homework/studying, extracurriculars, and jobs?'</p>
<p>Hmm, honestly, I'd say 120 to 140 here -No, I am not joking, nor lying; I 'catch up' on sleep whenever I can. Excellent point, Sarah.</p>
<p>WF"</p>
<p>Ok, now, read the quotation below...</p>
<p>"Are you joking? 120/7=17-ish hours and 140/7=20 hours. I honestly doubt you do 17-20 hours of academic work a day. Even at Exeter, we don't do that much work. That much work would be classified by most psychiatrists as a mental disease under DSM-IV-TR. It is completely absurd.</p>
<p>Faithfully Submitted,
Cesare de Borgia"</p>
<p>First of all, thank you for the faithfully submitted insult Mr. de Borgia - I do not have a mental disease; at the least, it is not listed under the DSM-IV-TR. Trust me, I know; sadly I have had to look at that darn manual for hours -homework. </p>
<p>Anyway, If you do read both quotations in detail you would notice that Sarah<em>in</em>a_cup did say: "80-100 hours a week, including class time, homework/studying, extracurriculars, and jobs." Under that description, I do put in between 120-140 hrs per week. Yes, I am also fully aware that means 17-20 hours per day -although I'll confess that it's not, necessarily, every week that I do so. Let it be clear, I never did say it was 17-20 hours a day of pure academics. The estimate of hours included work (2 jobs), school (20 credits), study time, homework time, volunteering (TONS of different stuff), ECs (mostly leaderhip, which is VERY time consuming and hard work), and even other ECs that are pretty relaxing (Like Golf and/or Rock climbing - These are still extracurriculars!) So, as you can see, and probably now digest, it is not impossible to put 17-20 hours a day when these are different activites. I too agree there is a balance for everything. <em>rolls eyes</em></p>
<p>Faithfully Offended, but now defended;)</p>
<p>Flor Salvaje</p>
<p>First, everybody on this board needs a group hug. Some of us are approaching the end of our academic year, and although it is a stressful and cumbersome time, we must not take it out on our easiest targets--those whom we cannot see or hear, but only read.</p>
<p>That being said... Wildflower, I see your point, but you are stretching it. Browsing CC and watching independent films can also be considered ECs; after all, these activities are outside the curriculum, and can be educational. The rest of the list is legitimate; just leave out the hobbies and relaxation activities. I doubt that you'll consider interpreting contracts as a hobby or a relaxation activity when you're working as an attorney.</p>
<p>"relaxation activities"</p>
<p>Are you telling me that competitive sports are relaxation activites? Granted, they do help with stress, but they are not. Every activity I had in mind when calculating that amount of hours had either a heavy load of responsibility and/or was directly related to work/study. In short, everything did meet the description given by Sarah. I don't think there is any argument around that bud.</p>
<p>Hey - Some of the hours ibankers put in playing squash is part of their work, too.</p>
<p>Leave off doubting Wildflower on this - My personal average is about 95 hours a week - but it has reached into the 140 as well. You have to do what you have to do.</p>
<p>Just because you go to Exeter doesn't mean noone works harder than you.</p>
<p>so 80-100 hours...how many years at that pace before you would even be considered for partner?</p>
<p>3-10 .</p>
<p>"Every activity I had in mind when calculating that amount of hours had either a heavy load of responsibility and/or was directly related to work/study."</p>
<p>And you are telling me 17-20 hours a day/ 7 days a week of that kind of activity is healthy? How much time do you have time to relax (let alone sleep)?</p>
<p>wow talk about stealing my thread..neways its cool. now once you become a partner, is the work still like 80+ hours a week? once ur an associate and granted u work ur ass off, is it almost a gurantee ull become a partnr?</p>
<p>"wow talk about stealing my thread"</p>
<p>hahaha, true. Sorry about that:D</p>
<p>I don't mean to continue, but I will, lol...</p>
<p>"And you are telling me 17-20 hours a day/ 7 days a week of that kind of activity is healthy? How much time do you have time to relax (let alone sleep)?"</p>
<p>I never said anything about something being "healthy." I did say however, that I "catch up" on sleep whenever I can, and that some of the activities, although they may include lots of resposibility, help me relax. Come on, I thought an Exeter student would be smarter than that;) </p>
<p>Now, bump, time for someone to answer z2thay's question. Thanks. :D</p>
<p>z2thay: "once you become a partner, is the work still like 80+ hours a week?"</p>
<p>No. More like 40-50.</p>
<p>"once ur an associate and granted u work ur ass off, is it almost a gurantee ull become a partnr?"</p>
<p>Matters what firm you work at. Some firms make almost all associates into partners after a certain amount of years and hours, some firms make only a few associates into partners, and the rest into non-equity partners, or even deny partnership on the whole.</p>
<p>Wildflower: "I never said anything about something being "healthy."</p>
<p>I know you didn't; I did.</p>
<p>"I did say however, that I "catch up" on sleep whenever I can"</p>
<p>"Catching up" on sleep is not a good way to get your rest. You might want to see the recent (1 month ago, or so) sleep study in Newsweeek.</p>
<p>"some of the activities, although they may include lots of resposibility, help me relax."</p>
<p>You said that "Every activity I had in mind when calculating that amount of hours had either a heavy load of responsibility and/or was directly related to work/study." </p>
<p>Since the potential for stress to "load of responsibility" has a robust relationship, I do not see how you can still relax while engaging in these activities. Either these activities are work/study/high responsibility or they are not. They cannot be both at once. A time to relax is a time when responsibility is low, not high.</p>
<p>Faithfully Submitted,
Cesare de Borgia</p>
<p>hmmmmm, ok.</p>
<p>"You might want to see the recent (1 month ago, or so) sleep study in Newsweeek."</p>
<p>Of course Wildflower wouldn't have enough time to even pick up a magazine.</p>
<p>Reverting back to the original thread, on why people would want to 80 hours a week, I think it is because working 16 hours a day is pretty fun. When I grow up, I want to have a toilet in my office, along with a television and a kitchen. I could marry my secretary or co-worker, and then live a normal life without paying rent and getting overtime hours (sometimes, I have heard of partial payments for staying at work overnight, even if one sleeps around three hours). Nothing would really be dangerous if I had so little sleep. I'd be trapped in the confines of an office.</p>
<p>"Of course Wildflower wouldn't have enough time to even pick up a magazine."</p>
<p>Too Funny:D. Sadly, that's the true. It's not going to last forever, as this academic years is almost over, though</p>
<p>a little late but the highest paid law firms are in NYC or in Washington. Some in Silicon Valley and in Chicago but mostly in those two places. Almost all city corporate law firms have the same basic salary: 125K after college. This is what I found out from working at a top probono law firm in NYC where corporate law firm guys come and work to fill in probono hours and the directors are retired corp. lawyers. The best resource to get these data about corp law firms is from this website:
<a href="http://www.infirmation.com/shared/insider/payscale.tcl?state=NY%5B/url%5D">http://www.infirmation.com/shared/insider/payscale.tcl?state=NY</a></p>
<p>Watchell Lipton Rosen and Katz has THE best package. Basically they give you 100% of your base as your bonus so you pretty much get 140K+140K (280K) after Law school. Pretty sweet eh :). But you better be from Harvard or Yale Law to get in there. ITs a small operation so they hire very few and usually the positions go to the editor of the law review etc.
Other highly sought after firms are Cravant Swaine and Moore, Sullivan Cromwell etc. To get into these places you pretty much need to be from the select few law schools: Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Chicago, NYU, Columbia, Michigan, and Cornell, Georgetown. Not to say they dont hire from other places but your best bet will be from those 9 schools. </p>
<p>Best of luck to you hopefuls :).</p>
<p>Reading your post, mahras2, my jaw just dropped to the floor.</p>