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Yale??? Whatever! As a chemE who did his BS/MS at Northwestern/Stanford, I'd never seen any engineering textbook written by someone who attended Yale.
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<p>Wow, so of course, that says nothing about how many people go into academia versus the real world, etc... it just means that any school that doesn't produce TEXTBOOKS must not be good in that field. Riiiiight...</p>
<p>I think the best combination of good engineering and good BME might be Georgia Tech.</p>
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that says nothing about how many people go into academia versus the real world, etc...
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He was commenting on the Yale engineering faculties who may or may not be Yale grads.</p>
<p>Given, the choice; I would by far pick Yale. It allows you far more options in the future. I have read (on cc incidentally) of someone who got his EE degree from Yale, did his masters at MIT; worked as an engineer for 5 years and then got his MBA from HBS. He then become a successful stock trader and after 5-6 years; he became the MD of Goldman Sachs.</p>
<p>You have to keep in mind, places like Yale have good engineering programs, an outstanding reputation if you want to consider other areas (many college students don't realize how sexier the business profession is until their junior/senior college year). Going to places like Hopkins/ Duke/ MIT for biomedical engineering is a killer - you'll end up with significant grade deflation and it will affect your options in the future.</p>
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You have to keep in mind, places like Yale have good engineering programs
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No, the consensus in the Engineering community is that it doesn't.</p>
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an outstanding reputation if you want to consider other areas
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Yes, this is the reason most Engineering grads at places like Harvard, Yale, and Columbia don't actually become engineers.</p>
<p>Harvey Mudd! :)</p>
<p>Does anyone have the CivE rankings?</p>
<p>Your consensus is imaginary.</p>
<p>if you are looking to work after undergrad, BME is not the best major, but you can always do a double major. most bme students at duke that are not premed double major with ece, mechE, or econ. but the best engineering schools with strong bme are def stanford, mit, gatech, uwash, and michigan. but you want to also think about the school atmosphere. mit is very competitive in undergrad and their bme dept is young, gatech and umich are huge, stanford and duke are comparable in size with a lot of other fun stuff besides engineering. u wash is a good school too.</p>
<p>Anyone have the industrial/manufacturing engineering rankings? (specifically RPI)</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
<p>yale engineering is terrible even by ivy league standards.</p>
<p>u.s. news undergraduate engineering rankings (2005):</p>
<ol>
<li>cornell</li>
<li>princeton</li>
<li>columbia</li>
<li>harvard</li>
<li>penn</li>
<li>brown</li>
<li>dartmouth</li>
<li>yale</li>
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<p>national academy of engineering members (2005):</p>
<p>cornell (21)
princeton (20)
columbia (17)
harvard (14)
penn (8)
brown (4)
yale (4)
dartmouth (3)</p>
<p>Yeah but your options are going to be far higher coming out of Yale. </p>
<p>As a prospective college student, engineering sounds great yeah. But most engineers at top schools with great grades suddenly realize how much sexier business professions are. You'll see your friends working for Mckinsey and BCG making bank while you sit there as a typical engineer. </p>
<p>IMO, it's best to keep options open. Going to yale will give you a decent engineering education so you can have the option of persuing an engineering field -AND- it gives you options of switching into virtually any area in business you want to go to. Versatility is the key. Think smart, think ahead.</p>
<p>I'm not asking you to work for BCG. I'm recommending you to keep your options open always. Medical school. Law school. I know someone from an engineering school who aspires to be a lawyer and wants to go to a place like columbia and michigan for law. He's a chemE. He works very hard and he has a 3.2 GPA. This is not the situation you want to be in when you graduate.</p>
<p>Engineering's great but remember that grade deflation can cut off doors. Going to yale will absolutely, by far, increase your options into business / law/ medicine.</p>
<p>I think that Berkeley, Stanford, MIT, CalTech, UIUC, or Cornell would be better for engineering. Realistically, Yale isn't on par with them (in terms of engineering). </p>
<p>PosterX: Every school has their weak and strong points. IMO, engineering isn't one of Yale's strong points by far.</p>
<p>Those rankings (and some people's perceptions) are biased simply because the program is small. You have to understand how the underlying numbers are derived before making a claim to their validity - looking at things such as which are the smallest programs to be ranked in the top 50 by that magazine. Just like when you visit an unfamiliar city, you're more likely to pick the McDonald's than some gourmet, inexpensive restaurant that is amazing.</p>
<p>For the same reasons, Caltech often doesn't rank at the top in sciences in every ranking because it has a smaller program. But when you look at research quality across all universities, Caltech holds an elite position at the very top along with Harvard and Yale (see Sciencewatch, Sept/Oct 2002) - ranking above the 4/5th place MIT and Duke.</p>
<p>Similarly, in engineering, Caltech and Yale are both at the very top in terms of quality:</p>
<p>Yes, if you are looking for a huge engineering school with lots of competition, or plan to get a civil engineering degree and immediately start working in your home state, you should definitely look at UIUC, Purdue, Berkeley, etc. But if you want a school with much more personal attention, and a higher success rate at placing its engineering graduates into the very top, elite graduate schools, you would be well-served by looking at places like Yale, Harvey Mudd, Harvard and Caltech, and even Swarthmore. All that said, my point is that you should visit the programs and talk extensively with students and faculty, and not narrow down your list based on some sort of conventional wisdom that is often completely misguided.</p>
<p>That's not true at all Poster. Cal, Cornell, Michigan and UIUC have a much better placement (both professional and graduate schools) for Engineers than either Harvard or Yale. You assume that just because Harvard and Yale are ranked low, it is because their programs are small and not well known. That is not at all the case. The reason they rank low is because they aren't that good. Their students are certainly gifted, but they are at a much lower level than Engineers coming out of powerhouses like Cornell or Cal.</p>
<p>I have no doubt that a few top students at those powerhouse schools place well, but have you looked at the average placement for those students who continue on for an engineering Ph.D.? Please post a citation. Remember, you're dealing with hordes of hundreds of graduates at the so-called "powerhouses" versus a very small number of elite grads. By the way, I have no problem with huge engineering schools - our country desperately needs more good engineers and the top engineering programs like Purdue certainly turn them out. In terms of the social value of the engineering programs, a place like Purdue, Minnesota or Michigan has a much larger social impact than a Caltech, Yale, Harvey Mudd or Harvard. Also, the powerhouses are easier to get into than the elites.</p>
<p>Also, I am not making any assumptions about how size effects the US News ranking. And as every university researcher knows, ISI/Sciencewatch is the most respected scientific organization in the world and, in this case, they are as clear as day.</p>
<p>Olin is the place to be for undergraduate engineering if you can handle the size</p>
<p>MIT, Stanford, Berkeley, Carnegie Mellon, and Caltech.</p>
<p>i need to see thee civil and aerospace rankings for schools with phd please, thanks in advance</p>
<p>MIT, Berkeley, Stanford, Caltech and Carnegie Mellon.</p>