I view all accusations by anyone against anyone with a critical eye, picking apart the story and asking more questions. All such accusations need to be verified. I’m withholding judgment until I hear more and hear from ‘the accused’.
I’m not sure she, or any outsider could realize what they were getting themselves into. I did find believable her story about thinking it would not be that different than celebrities in LA. In SoCal, it is not unexpected to see very famous people around living their lives, and if you are a local, you very coolly never acknowledge their fame, you might chat, but no photos/autographs/adulation. I could imagine not understanding what the monarchy would be like in reality and could imagine the feeling of being isolated, surrounded by others who know all the rules, and you knew none of them, did not even know to ask.
And, thanks, CC, it’s this thread that made me watch the interview 
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Can you explain why it is misogynistic to criticize Meghan Markle? (unless any criticism of any woman who is a public figure is misogynistic)
I dislike the the couple’s hypocritical and vulgar behavior. It has nothing to do with gender, or race for that matter. I also dislike Prince Andrew, but he’s not on TV being interviewed by Oprah.
I also dislike the way Meghan Markle has used her son’s mixed race heritage to imply that he was deprived of rights (i.e. a title) that he wasn’t entitled to in the first place and wouldn’t have received no matter who his mother is. Harry must know this and he’s allowing his wife to misrepresent the matter to increase public sympathy at the expense of the royal family.
If they had decided to chuck the whole royalty thing and go live happily ever after as private citizens in California, my response would have been, good for you! Live your life! But no, they are punishing the royal family for refusing to bow to their shakedown demands. They want to be compensated as if they are still working royals, but they don’t want that job. It’s a PR war.
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“Dear Pa, Did you see me on TV last night? I didn’t out you as a racist by name, but I will unless you send more money. I can barely get by on my millions in inheritance and my millions more from Netflix. Your son, Harry”
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I believe the Prince title issue is that when Charles becomes king (assuming he does), Archie would typically be given the title of Prince as grandson of the king. Meghan said the rules were being changed so that Archie would never be a prince. Meghan mentioned that at some point during the interview. The other great grandchildren of the queen would not have a grandfather that will be is king and so would not be eligible for the title.
The other issue is that Prince Andrew (Charles’ brother) stepped back from being a senior royal due to the Epstein scandal but there has been no investigation of the charges and he is still provided security and is funded by the monarchy.
Meghan said that she was not allowed to go to a treatment center for her severe depression and suicidal thoughts.
Whether you think she should have “known” more and been tougher, it seems clear that H&M are being treated differently and not being protected. The palace issued a statement supporting Prince Andrew after the allegations, why didn’t they offer a supportive statement for Meghan?
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If the Queen wanted them to have security, they would have security. I don’t buy the “someone inside the government decides who gets the security”, and there’s nothing that can be done about it.
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Why should they have security paid for by UK taxpayers if they are not working royals? They have enough money to pay for security on their own. Their problems are the same as those of any wealthy celebrity in the entertainment biz who needs to hire private security for their family.
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I do think that Archi is more of a target than many of the other royals because of his race and some of the racist vitriol aimed at the family. If the firm decided that they didn’t want to ask the taxpayers to pay for Archi’s security, the Queen and/or Charles could have offered to pay for security for their grandson/great-grandson while Meghan & Harry were working royals (& thus not making money outside of their work for the Crown). Look at the comparative net worth for the Queen & Charles compared to Harry/Meghan’s, and the fact that everyone else’s security is paid for. This seems like a drop in the bucket compared to their wealth. If this were your family, and your children received death-threats and you had money, wouldn’t you have stepped-up and offered to pay for security? I know I would have.
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One other thing that I’m confused about. Harry said that his family didn’t want to financially support Meghan and expected her to keep working and earn her own money. I thought I remembered when they were engaged that it was said that Meghan HAD to quit acting because of her new role. I thought the monarchy thought it was an inappropriate career for a working royal, and that they required her to stop. Can you imagine if she kept acting and took a role with a sex scene? That can’t go over well.
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Several other grandchildren of the current monarch do not have the Prince/Princess title (neither Anne’s children, nor Edward’s). That situation has been the same for many years. I don’t think the Sussex couple could reasonably claim they did not realize that, or that this was somehow a shock or race related.
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I think Prince Andrew’s girls having the title of Princess muddied the waters.
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I agree with you that taxpayers shouldn’t pay for their security once they are no longer working royals. I was talking about when they were working royals and weren’t bringing in any income of their own (since I thought they weren’t allowed to hold a job while being a working royal)>
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The Palace has issued a statement. The most telling part being “while some recollections may vary”.
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I completely agree. And she did not say Archie should be a prince at birth. I believe they were talking about once Charles is King. At that point, his grandchildren would be titled with prince. And then Archie could have security. At least that is how I heard it. But, then they were told that would not happen and that Charles was going to abolish that tradition.
Meghan seemed to indicate that they have an understanding of what their threat assessment is and that it is a problem.
Harry also indicates that they did not want to completely pull away but instead wanted to step back similar to Beatrice, Eugenie, etc. It seems like to punish them they removed their security and Charles removed his funding (through Charles and not the public). They had to act quickly and without a plan and went to California.
He also explained that they Queen was not taken unaware that they were trying to make this plan. I thought it was interesting that they can’t or don’t just pick up the phone to call one another and that Charles and or the Queen can just not talk to them.
I am appalled by the ugliness of most of these posts. It is embarrassing.
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What I find appalling is this wealthy and privileged couple’s cynical exploitation of people’s natural sympathies for minorities, outsiders and and those struggling with mental illness. It is nauseating to see these two self-presenting as victims. They are doing this to aggrandize their own media reputations by casting unanswerable and cowardly public aspersions on their relatives. They are doing so irresponsibly at a time of great racial and economic tension in their respective countries. If they really were motivated by altruism, there are many other ways they could bring positive attention to their foundation.
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Yes. You just need to turn to Spanish language media.
When was security withheld from Harry, Meghan or Archie? Harry and Meghan were working royals and their security was still paid for through March 31, 2020 first by British then by Canadian taxpayers. After that date they were no longer working royals and should be responsible to pay for their own security. No one forced then to stop working. It was their choice. Why should Charles or the taxpayers of any country be expected to pay? Harry is very wealthy in his own right.
They seem to expect the perks without the work.
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Beatrice and Eugenie have regular jobs. That wasn’t what Harry and Meghan planned. They had the Sussex Royal brand and were planning to monetize and cash in on the royal family/brand. A big no-no. If they had intended to get “office” jobs or start a philanthropic foundation of some sort that might have been met with more enthusiasm and approval. But nope it’s Spotify, netflix and tell all interviews.
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As always, it is not the racism that is considered divisive, but calling it out.
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If they’d called it out, it might have been more courageous. They just smeared and insinuated. And attributed events to race that have nothing to do with it (i.e. titles for Archie).
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