Blacks Accepted into Medical School?

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<p>Basically my parents were in the position your parents parents were in, and thats your advantage. </p>

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<p>UCLA Medical School:</p>

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<p>IMO anybody with “GPA is 3.89 and MCAT is 39” are going to get into Med. Schools, many of them if not all that they applied. Under-represented Minority (URM, not ORM) will be more likely to get in than others even with lower stats. Majority of Med. student in my D’s Med. School class are ORM, they got in nonetheless.</p>

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I have no idea about the ethnic composition of MS1 students at DS’s school yet. If what you said is true, it is somewhat surprising to me.</p>

<p>At least at the UG level, historically speaking, the top few colleges tended to not want to take in too many ORMs. (In those “dark-age” years in education, taking in too many of these would not benefit those private colleges financially as the families of the ORMs, Jews in particular, were still not in the top half in terms of the socioeconomic classs.) Today, there may be ORM over-representations in the graduate schools in the science and engineering fields, but I am not sure whether it would be the same in the professional schools.</p>

<p>DS did mention that, in his class year, unlike the previous year, there is at least one black student. I guess the school finally figured out how to successfully recruit a student with this ethnic group; I heard they failed this mission miserably in many previous years.</p>

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<p>^^^</p>

<p>MCAT2…it may depend on the state. Is your son going to med school in Texas? The numbers may be different there.</p>

<p>I know that when older son went to his PhD orientation this week, it was overwhelmingly populated with ORMs (both Americans and int’ls). One of the profs said the following to my fair-haired son…“We don’t get many that look like you.” :rolleyes:</p>

<p>(Since when are Jewish kids ORMs??? They’re not minorities. I know that in the early 1900s, the ivies had Jewish quotas, but I don’t think that issue is a current one at all. I think Jewish kids are considered “White”…right??? We have a Jewish last name (because of FIL) and it didn’t seem to hurt my son at all with admissions.)</p>

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<p>Weird. D1’s med school class is 40-50% Hispanic (all Mexican-Americans, including 3 girls from Mexico who have PR status), 5% Native American, 5% black (all recent African immigrants) and 15% Asian (and mostly Vietnamese instead of the more common Chinese/Korean/Asian Indian ethnicities–though there is one of each of those). The rest are white.</p>

<p>Guess it depends on where you live…</p>

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Maybe it is a coincident only: DS once mentioned that a very high percentage of African Americans at his college are recent African immigrants, or those whose parents are already in the upper class. He did meet one AA who came from the middle class. He also knew one AA who happens to be one of the richest kids in his suite (e.g., flying first-class on vacation and as many times a year as anyone of his family members feels like to.) He rarely had a chance to meet people in many other ethnic groups when he was in high school.</p>

<p>mom2collegekids, DS does not go to a medical school in Texas.</p>

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<p>black =/= african americans.</p>

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<p>"Not sure about special needs, how about repressed from education for hundreds of year? It did not change until 40 years ago which is fairly recent. It is fact that if your parents graduated from college you are much more likely to do so compared to a child who parents did not attend college. Most of black and native parents did not attend college because it was nearly impossible in their days. I believe they are trying to narrow the gap in college education that exist between ethnic groups, since it has nothing to do with how smart these people are but socioeconomic factors. "</p>

<p>The parents of current African-American applicants probably went to college in the late 70’s or 80’s, so I’m pretty sure their parents didn’t have to suffer from being repressed for education (or have to deal with any other anti-African American stuff). Maybe it was fine to have affirmative action 10-20 years ago, but its about time for it to stop now (ok maybe have affirmative action based on financial background, but definitely without race involved)</p>

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<p>mcat2,
“I have no idea about the ethnic composition of MS1 students at DS’s school yet. If what you said is true, it is somewhat surprising to me.”</p>

<p>-It is more than true. We witnessed it during white coat ceremony. We did not need any comments, we saw it with our eyes. And much more so at her apartment building (no UG, Grad. students (Med. Law, Engineering), residents, some faculty). I am not complaining at all, I am just impressed. We knew about situation in general in regard to all Med. Schools. We did not know about proportions. D. is a minority (being caucasian and being from state school as most are Asians from Ivy’s and other elite schools), which makes her even more special and us even more proud of her. No issue here at all, just stating facts.</p>

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<p>theespys69, I’m just going to ignore you, you have no idea what you are talking about.</p>

<p>@MiamiDAP, its sad it has to be that way, but congrats to her.</p>

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<p>Medical schools admitted URM students with lower stats hoping that these students might be role models for and provide more services to their respective minority groups. Nonetheless, would URM students with low stats have poor performances in medical schools?</p>

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<p>^I imagine that anybody URM or not with lower stats will have harder time. My D. said that she is going thru adjustment period, it is very hard work. And she is the one who has always been working very very hard, I do not know who works harder. Med. School is for hard workers who know how to get results of their efforts. Whatever the reason for lower stats at UG, I strongly believe that if one works hard in UG, he can achieve superior stats.</p>

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<p>Healthcare disparity exists. Even when corrected for socio-economics and race. ONE of many aspects of that disparity is having a less in common with ones physician. This is not to say that a white doc cannot take care of a black patient, or vice versa - that would be ridiculous, but there are some cultural differences that boil down to barriers to care. Foe example the liberal youngster that calls an older more conservative patient by his or her first name. Where the child was raised that may be ok. The patient may reject the advice because he or she was offended. </p>

<p>Medschool is not an end but a meand to an end. Therefore medshcools are trying to provide the best physicians possible for the populations it serves. That includes URM.</p>

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<p>^How about language barrier? Maybe they need to lower stats for those who do not speak English? I disagree with lowering stats for some groups. Yes, it is admirable to have diverse student body at Med. School. But everybody should be on the same footing. How about person who worked his ----butt off for 4 years and did not get in bacuse Med. School was after URM? How this person feels? I kept telling my D. that if she wants to be in, she needs to be on top of group 3 after connected ones and after URM’s. I just wanted her not to wear rosy glasses. Yes, some people have to go extra mile. If you are looking positively at this situation (as it makes those who work harder extra strong and resilient) you are a winner. But some are bitter about it, I cannot judge them for not realizing there is an “extra mile” situation.</p>

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<p>If you want the same footing, then we have to have the same footing. From childhood. Good public schools supported equally by the community. The studies of disparity and stereotyping go back to kindergarten. To say that the URM is getting a leg up, is shortsighted when the sterotyping has been happening since birth. </p>

<p>Go to a kindergarten and see that the black boys are assumed to be not as competitive as the other kids. They are FIVE. There was a great study done were the kids were randomly divided into groups. The teacher was told one group were the gifted kids the other average. The “gifted” kids recieved more of her time and attention, and not suprisingly did better even though there was no difference between the groups at the beginning of the study. </p>

<p>The part that is difficult is that individual students feel that THEY would have gotten THAT spot had the URM/legacy/athlete/musician/rich parents/paid for test prep/etc kid not taken it. It is especially easy to blame the URM as you can see them in the crowd. The admission process is more complex, and not necessarily fair to the individual in the attempt to get the best class for the institution.</p>

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<p>Miami</p>

<p>Not sure what you are trying to say here. While looking at some websites regarding residency programs I saw the profile for CWRU’s 2011 entering class and it says it’s 45% Caucasian, which while not a true majority, is the biggest subset of all enrolled students with all Asian/Indian representing 33% coming in second.</p>

<p>Can you explain?</p>

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<p>45% sound about right, it is minority, isn’t? But I love majority at this school, I have no compalints. All hard working people, some unbelivable credentials, we have PhD from Harvard and Mich. in first year class, Berkley beats in numbers. I am very happy and proud of my D. to be in such place, I am not sure if you assumed that I am complaining, not at all. Indian did not look like a lot, it looks like most were Asians.</p>

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<p>…Forgot to mention about good % that do not report. I do not remember the number though, here is another point to consider.</p>

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<p>Wow… you need that much lower stats to get into med school if you’re an URM? Not fair…</p>

<p>So unfair that just cause I’m Asian, I need an MCAT score that’s 5.8 points higher than a black applicant to be even.</p>