<p>Local home town stories about some kid's acheivement is like pi**ing in a dark pant. It gives parents and Byerly warm feeling, but no body else notices it.</p>
<p>Most of those storeis are planted and 'fillers' or wrap-arounds for ads. Small town newspapers need words to sell their ad space. (I know, my S was in several of those - his school would send them).</p>
<p>But hey if few people get orgasm reading those stories, let them have those.</p>
<p>So I take it, Simba, you won't be a customer for this new book, coming out in September:</p>
<p>"How They Got into Harvard : 50 Successful Applicants Share 8 Key Strategies for Getting into the College of Your Choice"</p>
<p>In How They Got into Harvard, fifty successful applicants to Harvard University share their tips and tactics for succeeding in the college admissions process. The students profiled in this book were not all class valedictorians, star athletes, or Harvard "legacies." In fact, many were simply strong all-around applicants who beat the odds and got into one of the country's most selective institutions. Through each concise account of a single student's r</p>
<p>Byerly, no I will wait for a book that expands on COHFE study and examines the root causes of student disstisfaction about the quality of high priced education, not finding jobs after graduation, large classes - taught by TAs, education that often is not usefull in real life, professors that ignore students. Perhaps the quality suffers because too many got in with scores of 1180. no matter how you spin it - those kids are just dumb.</p>
<p>You really need to visit <a href="http://www.campusdirt.com%5B/url%5D">www.campusdirt.com</a></p>
<p>Perhaps a refresher might be useful.</p>
<p>Item, Harvard, Princeton</p>
<p>Student Life, 4, 5
Campus, 4, 5
Professors, 4, 5
Curriculum, 3, 4
Athletics, 3, 4
Computer/Tech, 4, 5
Parking, 1, 2</p>
<p>It gets better</p>
<p>How the Professors are ranked</p>
<p>very knowledgeable, 94%, 96%
Interesting, 45%, 52%
keep me awake, 42%, 44%
Makes me space out, 6%, 0</p>
<p>Profs. outside of class</p>
<p>very friendly,33%, 56%
inimidating, 9%, 0
They ignore me, 6%, 0</p>
<p>How often the class is related to real world</p>
<p>All the time, 24%, 33%
some time, 18%, 33%
Not too often, 6%, 0
Not at all, 6%, 0</p>
<p>Byerly:</p>
<p>Do you also hop or crawl to the boards of other colleges and plug your school,? or you have some special place for Princeton in your heart. From your posting here, it is obvious that you were rejected by Princeton and this is your way of saying thanks.</p>
<p>No, I didn't apply to Princeton, but I think its a very fine school.</p>
<p>Yes the student body thinks so and I forgot...You from Harvard of Michigan State?</p>
<p>byerly
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Kid applied ED to Princeton for the Class of 2009 and didn't get in. Hired Michelle Hernandez to re-write his essays and "craft" his RD applications, and he got into Dartmouth! Happy ending ,thanks to our friend Michelle, (or so she modestly reports!)</p>
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<p>hahaha i know that kid! he was the valedictorian of my high school class. he's got no integrity whatsoever.</p>
<p>Back to the topic of the OP,</p>
<p>Interesting article but it also brings up a sore subject with me as we go out and look for colleges. All the schools mentioned in the article provide for "100% of demonstrated need", yet the offers they made to one student were quite different. What I am looking for is the real definition of "demonsrated need".</p>
<p>In using the financial aid calculators at 3 schools I got 3 different answers with the same inputs. Further, the CSS profile number is different from the FAFSA number. Why can't it be as transparent as other metrics in looking at schools, i.e. SAT scores, etc.</p>
<p>If you're looking at Princeton, go to the Early Estimator. The adcoms say it is accurate within $100-200 a year. <a href="http://www.princeton.edu/pr/aid/estim.shtml%5B/url%5D">http://www.princeton.edu/pr/aid/estim.shtml</a> Also, if you have any questions, you are encouraged to call and talk to them directly.</p>
<p>"In all, eight key admissions strategies are addressed, including:
-How to identify and present a key talent
-How to make your well-roundedness an asset, not a weakness
-How to forge connections and use them to your advantage"</p>
<p>It should also include "How to be lucky, get in, and receive an overrated undergraduate education."</p>
<p>aparent5,</p>
<p>Thanks, Princeton is one of the financial aid calculators that I have run. In fact I ran 3 of them, Princeton, Dartmouth and Williams. The amount varied by $8000 with Williams providing the most aid and Princeton a few thousand behind. Dartmouth provided the least.</p>
<p>My point is that it makes it hard to look at schools when many of them say that they provide for 100% of demonstrated financial need and 100% of demonstrated need is different for every school. This is not a Princeton specific problem, the article just illustrates one example of it.</p>
<p>Your favorite Stanford.edu article doesn't really show anything in this case, Byerly.</p>
<p>Here's one for you: <a href="http://www.harvardindependent.com/media/paper369/news/2004/10/07/Forum/From-Cambridge.To.Cali-747111.shtml%5B/url%5D">http://www.harvardindependent.com/media/paper369/news/2004/10/07/Forum/From-Cambridge.To.Cali-747111.shtml</a></p>
<p>Can someone explain to me why Byerly's Aludaughter comment was "perverse"? Or how Alumother's "Of course, I guess Meg Whitman, Jeff Bezos and the Eric Schmidt, CEO of Google have all had more than their 15 minutes....(eBay, Amazon...)" is any different than Byerly's Harvard boasting?</p>
<p>Thanks in advance.</p>
<p>Sure, thinkjose1, I will do so myself. If you had been in my shoes on this board for the past sxi months, you would know that Byerly has a history of bringing up my D, and that I have told him to stop. Repeatedly. </p>
<p>Byerly is an extremely good fighter. When he stays away from personal issues, I enjoy the fight, being somewhat of a fighter myself. Byerly has 20 years on me, so he's better, but what better way to hone skills than fighting with a master?</p>
<p>However, one of his main skills is needling vis personal comments. He needles me. Imagine you have a teenage daughter some day. Imagine you do your best to keep her safe and certainly to keep her identity off Internet boards. Imagine a man with whom you fight on the Internet makes a seemingly innocuous comment asking whether there are any articles about her. Imagine that in fact, her picture has been in the papers. Imagine, in that context you overreact.</p>
<p>Moms do that when their kids are involved. It's complex.</p>
<p>Now, as for the statement about Meg Whitman, Jeff Bezos and Eric Schmidt, some of the most successful CEOs of the dot.com and new technology industry era? That's different than Byerly's Harvard boasting because I am doing it on the Princeton board, where there is an assumption of interest in all matters Princeton. He comes over here and promotes Harvard when the promotion is wholly unsolicited. </p>
<p>That question is simple.</p>
<p>Hope I have answered your questions. Feel free to PM me.</p>
<p>I'm a little bit confused, Alumother. Haven't <em>you</em> made about a zillion posts about your daughter, her accomplishments, her personality, her college search, her X, Y and Z?</p>
<p>The only time I make any reference to her mere existance is when you sneer at Harvard, either here or on the Harvard thread, and I note that your action in doing so seems ever so slightly hypocritical under ... the circumstances.</p>
<p>I think the rahrah Tiger stuff is fine, however ... keep it up! Princeton is a great school.</p>
<p>Thank you Alumother, you did answer the question.</p>
<p>Byerly,</p>
<p>While I apologize for any inappropriate remarks I may have made or may yet make to you, it's different when I talk about Aludaughter than when you do. I'm her mom so I know I have her best interests at heart. </p>
<p>I think that's all we need to say. Let's get back to the rah rahing. Wasn't this a thread about how great the Princeton financial aid is:)?</p>
<p>Thinkjose1, no problem.</p>
<p>Actually, Princeton financial aid is awesome. And I've talked to the financial aid office many times and they're so nice and kind and helpful. They even paid for my flight out to visit Princeton!</p>
<p>Princeton is incredibly generous. Not only do they provide ample financial aid, but their expected family contribution covers anticipated college expenses as well. If they determine that your family can afford to spend 25,000 dollars, you only have to pay 22,000, leaving you 3000 dollars for books, furniture, etc.</p>