Brandeis, Elon , GW, AU

<p>Hi ,I am a foreign student and never visited any of schools, so could you guys help me compare these four schools? Thx!!</p>

<p>Cost: Brandeis>GW>Elon>AU</p>

<p>Brandeis is ranked higher in US NEWS. but I am not sure whether it's worth the money. </p>

<p>I am interested in Pol Sci and International studies but afraid that my mind would change after I am exposed to a wide range of academics in colege. </p>

<p>btw, could any one give me suggestions or some personal experience of how the people or the overall atmosphere are like in any of those school?</p>

<p>I’m not too familar with Elon but I know the other three pretty well. Here are more thoughts.</p>

<p>Brandeis is clearly the best school academically of the three. It is a small research university just outside of Boston (but inside Route 128–which is similar to a beltway which rings Boston). It is strong in almost everything it does: sciences, social sciences, humanities, business, and art and music. Academically, it is similar to if slightly under the Ivies and other top schools like Stanford, Duke, Chicago and Johns Hopkins. The political science department (Brandeis calls it “Politics”) is small but excellent. The top international relations/securities studies professor there, Robert Art, is world famous and he also has appointments at Harvard and MIT although Brandeis is his base. Brandeis has a nice campus but its architecture is modern (except for a reproduction of a Scottish Castle, which is the landmark building) which some people think is out of place in New England (i.e., it doesn’t look like Harvard). Brandeis is non-sectarian but is financially supported largely by the American Jewish community. About half of the undergraduates are Jewish. There is a strong sense of community on campus, and social justice in the mold of Justice Louis Brandeis is emphasized. </p>

<p>GW is a medium size research university in the Foggy Bottom section of Washington. It is, therefore, an urban campus comprised of office-like buildings separated by city streets. It used to have no green space, but a few years ago GW tore down a building and planted grass there so it now has a little green area. GW is academically strong is some areas, and political science is one of its strengths. The GW political science department is large and has recruited a number of stars from other universities. That is the good news. The not so good news is that, because of its location, a large percentage of GW undergraduates are interested in political science so the classes will be large and you will get to know your teaching fellows better than professors until you are an upperclassman. Outside of a few departments, GW is middle of the road academically. It has little sense of community but, because of its location that is somewhat less important because the city becomes your community. GW also has a large Jewish population, perhaps 25-30% of undergraduates. </p>

<p>AU is similar to GW in many respects, except it is smaller and even more specialized. Its strengths are political science, international studies, government, communications, and business. Otherwise, it is mediocre at best, and the sciences are particularly weak. GW is not strong in the sciences, but it is compared to AU. Unlike GW, AU has a real campus although it is small and very compact. It is in the far northeast part of Washington, which means that its location with respect to the center of the city is more similar to Brandeis (although Brandeis,which has half the number of students as AU, has a much larger campus). AU’s also has a large Jewish population, probably similar in percentage to GW, despite the fact it is affiliated with the Methodist Church (as is Duke and quite a few other American Universities).</p>

<p>Bottom line: If you are unsure of what you eventually want to study, and if prestige means anything to you, I’d go with Brandeis. Conversely, if you are sure you want to do political science, and of the three are good options academically, and the choice will come down to location, environment, community and finances. Good luck.</p>

<p>bonanza:Thank you so much for your thorough description and it’s been very informative.
Actually prestige is something people always mention. Since I am a foreigner, I really do not know how Americans view prestige. Some people told me go with money and some people told me prestige is somewhat important. </p>

<p>Actually your post really unsettled my mind and made me rethink where would make me happy.</p>

<p>Overall, brandeis stands out as a much stronger school for a well rounded liberal arts education.
However, if you are absolutely sure you want to pursue IR, then GW and AU should be your top choices. AU if you want a campus, GW if you dont.</p>

<p>000ace000 :Thank you
Doesn’t GW have an overall better academics and rankings than AU? </p>

<p>Brandeis is about 10,000 more expensive than GW to me. I don’t know whether it worth the money. Brandeis is an excellent school indeed.</p>

<p>Yes, GW is more well rounded and generally a better school than AU. however there’s a stereotype that students are very well-off and a bit snobby. i’m not sure how true that is though.
are you okay with the urban campus?</p>

<p>Another thing to keep in mind. Both GW and AU are strong in international studies and in political science, but each one has those disciplines in different schools. At GW, international studies is in the Elliot School for International Studies while the political science department is in the Columbian School of Arts and Sciences. Some faculty have joint appointments but, as a student, you will be in one or the other.</p>

<p>The situations is similar at AU. International studies is in the School for International Service, while the political science department is in the School of Public Affairs. </p>

<p>That issue doesn’t exist at Brandeis. All undergraduates are in the College of Arts and Sciences.</p>

<p>bonanza:Some people say prestige is not important if you plan to go to graduate school since your last degree is what matters the most. </p>

<p>Sometimes I think the school wouldn’t earn the prestige if the college is just the same as those " average " schools. </p>

<p>Do graduate schools care where you did your undergrad at?</p>

<p>Here’s my 2 cents on the “prestige” issue.</p>

<p>First–some people blow it out of proportion. It is not necessary to go to a “prestigious” university to be successful. Its easy to identify many successful people who did not. Nor is graduating from a “prestigious” university a guarantee of success. Sucess depends much more on your attitute and effort than upon where you went to school. </p>

<p>That said, there is value in attending and graduating a top ranked institution. First, it gives you instant credibility, by which I mean that people you meet will presume that you are smart when they hear where you went to school. Of course, you can quickly dispell that if you do something stupid or don’t perform well. But don’t underestimate the value of the presumption that comes with graduating a good school.</p>

<p>Second, while it is true that brains and hard work are more important to success than where you went to school, the fact remains that the odds of one becoming successful are much higher at top institutions than mediocre or poor ones. The reasons for this are not just that top institutions attract better faculty, usually have better facilities, and offer more opportunities for research,etc. Most importantly, your peer group of students will be better at more prestigious universities. Keep in mind that you will learn more from your peers than from your professors, and if your fellow students are all very smart and highly motivated—you likely will benefit from that exposure. Sure, you can go to “Podunk U” and work your tail off and probably be successful. But your odds of being successful go up greatly if your peers are similarly motivated. </p>

<p>As to whether graduate schools care about where you went as an undergraduate, the answer is “it depends.” Some do, some don’t. As an example, take Harvard Law School. You will find students at HLS from a very wide variety of undergraduate institutions so, in that sense, you might say that it doesn’t matter where you went. If you have a 4.0 from Podunk U and do very well on the LSAT, you can still be admitted. But the odds of being admitted to HLS if you went to, say, Harvard College are much higher than if you went to Podunk U. Most of the students at HLS went to top schools. So it does make a difference, even if its not necessarily determinative.</p>