<p>I have noticed that Brown and Chicago tend to overlap. These are among my top two or three choices but I was wondering why these two schools have such an overlap. They don’t seem particularly similar, with Brown being liberal arts and Chicago being hard-core math/science. Any theories?</p>
<p>According to Fiske, the largest overlaps are with Harvard, Yale, Stanford, MIT, andPrinceton in that order - although I imagine the order can change from year to year.</p>
<p>As far as I know, Chicago is much more humanities oriented than math and science oriented, with its world-class Anthropology and Economics departments. Brown has excellent humanities, but many of its sciences are particularly strong too. Both schools are great for both the liberal arts and hard science, both have excellent professors and resources for both.</p>
<p>I'm applying to both (I like Brown MUCH better though, but that's just me)... I see both places as very intellectual schools where theory reigns supreme. They seem to both be great places for motivated, independent kids who love learning. They're both excellent places, for all disciplines.</p>
<p>That's funny ... I'd see them as about as different, educationally, as can be... Chicago with its "core" and Brown waaaay over in the other direction.</p>
<p>I don't think Chicago overlaps with Brown AT ALL. It's rather uptight and has a core, etc. The only thing I think that overlaps is a quicky student body. </p>
<p>I'd say the schools that overlap the most are: </p>
<p>Yale
Stanford
Vassar
Oberlin</p>
<p>Claysoul got good overlaps. I'd add on Wesleyan--a fairly obvious equal--too. More LACs resemble Brown than large, research universities.</p>
<p>quirky* student body</p>
<p>I'm fairly sure the largest Ivy overlap is still with Harvard, even now that they don't share an EA pool.</p>
<p>My guess:
Harvard
Yale
Columbia
Penn
Dartmouth (I feel like 70% of my Dartmouth friends considered Brown)
Wesleyan
Vassar</p>
<p>For Brown, I believe the cross admits in the Ivies are most closely divided between itself and Columbia. Brown wins a small majority.</p>
<p>Dartmouth students may consider Brown, but I don't think most Brown applicants consider Dartmouth. In addition, the cross admit data for Brown and Dartmouth suggests Brown is overwhelmingly preferred.</p>
<p>Which cross admit data were you referring to?</p>
<p>The data I was looking at is from the Sept. 17, 2006 NYT article on how Harvard will risk the least yield-wise by going EA. Granted, the data is somewhat old, but it's what I have at my fingertips at present. I don't suspect the numbers have changed that drastically, though.</p>
<p>Edit: When I wrote "For Brown, I believe the cross admits in the Ivies are most closely divided between itself and Columbia. Brown wins a small majority", I meant Brown's cross admits relative to other Ivy schools.</p>
<p>mmmm... I'm looking at the article (based on the "Revealed Preference" study) and I don't see anything saying that Brown "wins a small majority" of cross-admits from Columbia. Can you enlighten me further?</p>
<p>A LOT of people at Duke had Brown as their second choice. It's odd because the two are very different.</p>
<p>And where do you get THAT cross admit information from? </p>
<p>Are you saying (I can't quite tell) that Duke takes the majority of cross-admits from Brown?</p>
<p>Anecdotal evidence. I am most definitely NOT claiming that Duke wins in the cross-admit battle; I'd actually give an edge to Brown over Duke. Like ivyleaf's response to slipper about Dartmouth, I suspect more Duke applicants apply to Brown than Brown applicants apply to Duke. Considering the large majority of Duke students do not come from the South, it's not really surprising.</p>
<p>The cross admit data for Brown from among the Ivies, Stanford, MIT:</p>
<p>Columbia 44%,
Cornell 24%
Dartmouth 39%
Harvard 89%
Princeton 73%
Penn 35%
Yale 82%
Stanford, 75%
MIT, 75% </p>
<p>Of these percentages, Brown finds itself most closely dividing cross admits with Columbia. Cornell, Dartmouth, and Penn lose the vast majority to Brown, while H/Y/P/S/Mit win the vast majority. Brown winning 56% of the admits with Columbia is a small majority, especially when compared to losing 89% to Harvard, for example, or winning 76% with Cornell. Mind you, this data is old, too.</p>
<p>The Revealed Preference study, while interesting and generally accurate, is based on a model, using data from 6 years ago and interviews with 3,500 students who attended 200 colleges. At that time, both Harvard and Brown were open EA schools, and both Yale and Stanford had binding ED programs.</p>
<p>It does not, and does not pretend to, reflect actual cross-admit data. In the case of Harvard numbers, with which I am familiar, I can tell you that recent actual spreads are, for the most part, wider than the RP model shows.</p>
<p>The NYTimes article did not make this limitation significantly clear, IMHO.</p>
<p>How is Dartmouth, at only 5% less than Columbia in your second category? Its 60/40, hardly a "vast majority." Given my experience on CC, and knowing many brown alums I can tell you many do consider Dartmouth. There is a contingent of people looking for "laid back", socially fun, top schools and Dartmouth and Brown appeal to those students. At my high school, there was a huge crossover.</p>
<p>I know MANY, MANY Brown students and alums who never even thought of Dartmouth. Many considered Harvard and Yale as well as Columbia. Obviously, this is NOT the case for everyone, but the overwhelming majority of people I know said this. </p>
<p>As I mentioned, it may be that more Dartmouth students consider Brown than vice versa, just as warblersrule86 echoed with Duke students and Brown.</p>