“Full time equivalent academic staff” does not mean research producing professors.
That is not a true statement
as fenwaypark pointed out, you are the one who does not know how Brown is structured.
So unlike lost account who was making a reasonable point with a poor analogy, you are simply making incorrect points.
@stemmm because for every poster here there are 9 others who read but don’t post http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1%25_rule_(Internet_culture). Trying to educate them.
@wrenwu, actually, I wouldn’t say that lost account has an issue with Brown - I just don’t understand the desire to go into other school specific sections to talk about Cornell.
“you are simply making incorrect points.”
This is laughable. I am not going to comment. 
CCers can read.
On facts: (you wanted to argue so I am giving you explanations, otherwise I would not continue.)
Brown SAT Math 25%-75% 720-790
Cornell SAT Math 25%-75% 750-800
Significant difference. Brown with 189 students, Cornell with 752 students; Cornell’s top 189 students would be about top 1/4 of its 752 students (about top 25%) who all scored 800.
So of the top 189 engineering students in these two universities, that’s a “starting at less than 720” vs “starting at 800/all 800” difference.
“Except the volume of product sold by LV is smaller than BB.”
WRONG AGAIN! (Though I am not arguing for lostaccount, I have to get this fact right as well. My argument is they are different, not who is bigger in sale. However, if you want to twist things, you won’t get your way.)
Annual sale: Brooks Brother vs. Louis Vuitton is $350 million vs. $7.9 billion
http://www.nytimes.com/1990/11/23/business/brooks-brothers-stays-the-course.html
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303627104576409813842858304
“The poster who said “Computer Science is not Engineering” has given you the correct information”
I think it would be better to at least say “Brown Computer Science is not in College of Engineering” because Computer Science department is still considered as Engineering for most universities. “Computer Science is not Engineering” itself is incorrect, at least for this decade and prior ones.
This link shows what college their Computer Science department reside: (you’ll find they are mostly in College/School of Engineering)
http://www.greatvaluecolleges.net/affordable/computer-science-engineering/
A side note: Stats for college of engineering is usually the highest among a university with different colleges.
I agree that Brown is ranked lower than it should be on USNWR. Mentioning how Cornell is better than Brown or vice versa on here seems kind of off-topic and unnecessarily incendiary, however–they’re both incredible institutions that most people would be delighted to get into and it’s silly that both sides are bashing the other over a non-issue.
In any case, I heard Brown messed up when sending its school profile to USNWR, so it’ll probably move back up in due time and assuage any damaged egos.
Good luck!
As long as no one says things like “Brown is much more difficult to gain admission (than Cornell)” I won’t say a word. 
But if anyone was misinformed, I’d educate them.
Brown vs Cornell for engineering? There is no competition, not even Harvard vs Cornell for engineering. Key word: engineering. If you want to do engineering, Cornell and Princeton are the two Ivies to look at. Point here is who cares about overall rank, what you want to study should be more important. However since I am going to Cornell I will have to point out a few things. USNWR: Cornell 15, Brown 16.
QS World University Rankings: Cornell 19, Brown 52.
Academic Ranking World Universities: Cornell 13, Brown 74.
Times World University Rankings: Cornell 19, Brown 54.
QS News, ARWU, and Times are more widely used and respected throughout the world. U.S. News is only really used stateside. How does such difference occur? Methodolgy. US News takes in to account things that have no bearing on academics such as selectivity and prestige (based on surveys). World rankings do not do this because how are you going to compare prestige of a university in China to one in US? You can’t, it’s stupid and not possible. Oxford and Cambridge have 20.5% and 21.5% acceptance rates, does this mean USC is better than Oxford? No. World rankings focus more on academics and alumni success.
edit: this is not meant to bash on Brown in anyone. I would be absolutely estatitc to attend Brown! I think both schools have there pros and cons. I loved Browns open curriculum and how it was more like here’s the tools, get from A to B. Both are wonderful universities anyone would be glad to attend. At Cornell I liked the larger class size, however, this leads to higher acceptance rates, 14% is pretty low considering how big Cornell is.
And lets be real here. Brown and all other Ivy leagues are at the point they’re so well respected, once it comes to getting a job 1 or 4 ranking spots won’t matter. No one is not going to hire you because you went to Brown and someone else went to Harvard. It’ll come down to interviews, gpas, etc.
Just my observation in terms of rankings: it is unwise to fall into that trap. Ultimately you have to be happy with where and who you are. Somebody telling you you’re at the #1 school will not make you happy if is not a good fit. If my son would not have gotten accepted to Brown ED (his first choice) he would have picked the University of Illinois over MIT. Clearly not the wisest choice in terms of rankings but he didn’t feel MIT was for him…
Cornell has about 5300 graduate students. http://www.gradschool.cornell.edu/about/quick-statistics Brown has roughly 2,000 http://www.brown.edu/academics/gradschool/about Any ranking system that includes # of doctorates granted and total federal research #s is going to rank Cornell higher than Brown.
Cornell has an excellent rep for scientific research. It may well be that Cornell’s medical school does more and better research than Brown’s. However, Cornell’s medical school is located in NYC. As a practical matter, the excellence of its medical school’s research has very little impact on the education of Cornell’s undergrads in Ithaca. Cornell is buidling a graduate school campus in NYC. It already has grad students studying there on the Google “campus.” Again, I’m sure all the research will do a lot for Cornell’s rep. I don’t think that this research has much impact on undergrads in Ithaca except for the rep factor. Lots of students at Brown are affected by the existence of a med school at Brown. They have the chance to work in labs, shadow doctors, etc. that aren’t available to Cornell students, except perhaps during the summers.
Now if you want to think that it’s better to be an UNDERGRADUATE at Cornell because of all the exciting research going on at Cornell Weill and the Google campus in NYC, be my guest.
I’m sure the new NYC campus Cornell is building in NYC, which will focus on technology will also boost the amount of scientific research Cornell does. It is supposedly already attracting attention for 2 career academic couples who’d rather work in NYC than Ithaca. Yale and NYU’s world wide reps are undoubtedly enhanced by their overseas campuses too.
These facilties and the federal research $s they attract all improve rankings. But I kind of just don’t “get” how they improve opportunities for undergrads on the main campus.
YMMV
One reason for the difference is that UK students can’t apply to both Oxford and Cambridge; they must choose one. Do you think HYPS’s acceptance rates would change if you could only apply to one?
Go enjoy Cornell. It’s a great school; it really is and I’m not trying to knock it. It’s just much less focused on undergrad education than Brown is, IMO.
With regard to the SAT scores, statistical significance does not equal meaningful difference. Cornell is a bigger school, of course it’s going to have more 800 scorers than Brown - this has been the whole point. Brown is a smaller institution (particularly at the graduate level) so metrics that are weighted by size (particularly graduate department size) are going to underestimate Brown. The difference in the means is 775 vs. 755. That’s not even 2 points on the raw scale: https://satonlinecourse.collegeboard.org/SR/digital_assets/pdfs/eri/scoring_2012-2013.pdf
With regard to CS and engineering. Since you brought up the school of engineering data in response to a student’s question about CS, all that is relevant is whether CS students at Brown are part of Brown’s school of engineering. They are not. Case closed. I don’t care what the history is or whether it’s considered a field of engineering. It’s not part of the engineering school and thus none of its students are factored into that data set you’re using. Like I said, just cuz you’re finding info doesn’t mean you’re understanding what you’re posting.
Cornell is a fantastic institution and a great undergrad one too. Like @jonri says though, if you want an amazing school where the undergrads are the focus, it’s Brown, and don’t let ranking systems that heavily weight graduate resources mislead you.
“LV is a much higher end brand than BB as such it sells more expensive items”
The annual sale LV:BB is more than 10:1. Look up product prices, BB item cost like ~500, LV items cost like ~3,000, even if BB cost 500 and LV cost 5,000 LV still have more products sold.
“With regard to the SAT scores, statistical significance does not equal meaningful difference”
You don’t know what you are talking about. When a school is ¼ size of another school with ‘same quality of applications’, the smaller school should be able to pick the very best with better scores. (say both has 40,000 applicants, Brown takes their top 1000 and Cornell takes their top 4000; Brown ‘should’ have higher scores.) But for Engineering, the reality in ASEE stats is that Cornell with more students are still with higher scores.
I suggest you stop on this or continue to show that you couldn’t analyze.
It is people like you who made others couldn’t resist to refute your arguments. (However, I won’t say more after this post since this is Brown forum. I still respect others who are not like you who couldn’t take truth.)
@findmoreinfo - are you saying that you think higher SAT score data of enrolled freshman really matters when picking a school? That’s what makes a college better or worse? How about rankings based on happiness? Brown frequently ranks in the top 5 of “the happiest colleges” in the US. I don’t think I’ve ever seen Cornell even in the top 25.
@wrenwu - it’s pretty clear how important he thinks SAT score is. I mean why should Brown’s top 1000 applicants not be the top 1000 SAT scorers? I mean do they even ask you for anything else on the application these days? - In particular, we’re talking about SAT scores of engineering students when the thread was about rankings for Computer Science and Medicine (neither of which are part of the school of engineering at Brown - the same “school of engineering” that was only created in 2010. Why are we throwing out the rest of the undergrads again?)
My son was admitted to 3 top schools - Brown being one of them. He is planning on concentrating in Computer Science and Brown seemed to be the best fit in all areas - not just CS. He did not even take the SAT (only the SAT IIs) and although he is a super smart kid, his overall scores were not perfect. At the end of the day, scores and rankings really don’t mean anything.
wrenwu, Want a happy school and stats are not important? One of the state schools would be a good option.
wanttobebrown, You should check the side note of post #42, that is common sense. I already gave the ‘non-engineering’ in your mind the benefit of engineering. (I won’t state anything new) Or you can show CCers the stats of Brown Computer Science.
My statement “But for Engineering, the reality in ASEE stats is that Cornell with more students are still with higher scores.” means the quality of applicant pools are not the same, if you want to understand what the data says.
Again, Computer Science is viewed as Engineering in most universities no matter you like it or not. Adios
findmoreinfo - obviously you haven’t looked at the stats of enrolled kids at University of Michigan and UC Berkeley Engineering. And especially UC Berkeley admits who want to concentrate in computer science. That comment was insulting. Furthermore, why can’t you have both? A university who’s stats are high AND that has a happy vibe? Sayonara.
@findmoreinfo - Meanwhile, since you are so concerned with ranking - FYI: UC Berkeley, University of Michigan and University of Illinois (according to your assessment “where stats are not important”) all rank higher than Cornell in engineering.
Ok, this is just silly. The scores you posted, @Findmoreinfo, are virtually the same. According to the ASEE links you posted:
Cornell’s combined scores ranged from a 25% of 2050 to 75% of 2280. Brown’s 25-75% are 2070 to 2320. The individual section ranges are similarly close. Really, we’re talking about one or two questions more answered correctly. Arguing about scores at this level is ludicrous. The quality of the student body is same…these kids are comparable. Enough already.
wrenwu, Did I ever talk about their ranks? Check student profiles on ASEE site for those schools, please.
Renaissancemom, Cornell didn’t require writing, please do your math on ASEE site for Cornell because their totals are not correct (possibly due to Cornell didn’t require writing and ASEE totaled it incorrectly), you will have new numbers! Besides, I was talking about Math especially for engineers. But if you would want to talk about CR+Math, Brown is 1390-1550, Cornell is 1420-1550.