<p>Okay, so I recently received my AP scores and I got a 5 on the AP Calculus BC exam. Now, with this 5, I can wave Math 1A an Math 1B so that I don't have to take them, and graduate without ever having taken a math class. My question is this: if I go to graduate school and receive a M.D. and THEN apply to med school, will med school deny me because I did not take the necessary courses for my undergraduate degree? (Keep in mind med school does not accept AP scores.)</p>
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Um. med school ∈ grad school.</p>
<p>what the hell? Grad school and med school?</p>
<p>You need to take math classes.</p>
<p>You also need to get some things straight. M.D. is a doctorate, not a masters…</p>
<p>I think you got something confused… Going to medical school will get you an MD, so going to graduate school after undergrad does not equal an MD. Graduate school can get you a PhD or an MA depending on the program you are interested in. </p>
<p>Take one year of calculus if you’re interested in medical school anyway since AP scores won’t matter.</p>
<p>Take one semester of calculus and one semster of stat to give yourself the widest possible choices.
Also, don’t take math 1A or 1B as they may hurt your grade.</p>
<p>Med schools don’t accept APs? My Dad never took Calc beyond the BC exam and went to med school. Have they changed it?</p>
<p>Some med schools do not require Calc, but some do. And, yes, med schools do not like AP credits – they’d much rather see you earn an A in a course with a bunch of grade-grubbers and brutal curve. :D</p>
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<p>Uh, don’t know what country you are from, but medical school is a graduate school (as is law school, business school, etc)</p>
<p>well, it is a school you go to after you graduate, but the term graduate school is used more specifically in this country. [Graduate</a> school - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graduate_school]Graduate”>Postgraduate education - Wikipedia)</p>
<p>Professional degrees are accreditations needed to practice certain controlled professions, e.g. law, medicine. They are granted by professional schools [Professional</a> school - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_school]Professional”>Professional development - Wikipedia)</p>
<p>They can be referred to colloquially as med school, law school, etc. LH is correct. </p>
<p>As an example of usage, Yale University has its list of professional schools, including medicine and divinity, here [Admissions</a> | Yale](<a href=“http://www.yale.edu/admissions/index.html]Admissions”>Admissions | Yale University)</p>
<p>UCLA also lists professional schools separately from their graduate division which awards Masters and PhDs. <a href=“http://www.ucla.edu/academics.html[/url]”>http://www.ucla.edu/academics.html</a></p>
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<p>So then what are business schools? Since you don’t need an MBA to become a manager, does that mean that business schools are not professional schools? But then since business schools aren’t graduate schools either (ignoring the special case of business PhD programs), what are they?</p>
<p>business isn’t a controlled profession but it still has professional schools - business schools. The distinction is really based on whether one is taking the postgrad education to expand human knowledge on the subject, conduct original research and so forth, or whether one is seeking the degree to get into a profession. </p>
<p>It can get blurry - one can go to business school to progress to a PhD and work to expand the basic understanding of business and management, or one can go to get an MBA as a means to career advancement. Mostly professional school is used when the degree it grants is the main method of gaining entry to profession. Thus, used more for law, medicine and divinity than it would be for business or engineering.</p>
<p>Wikipedia, the final answer.</p>
<p>[Office</a> of Graduate Admissions - Alpha Index by Program](<a href=“http://gradadmissions.stanford.edu/programs/alphaindex.html]Office”>http://gradadmissions.stanford.edu/programs/alphaindex.html)
Stanford and many other major universities do refer to med school as part of the graduate school. (as the Golden Bear does not have a medical school…)</p>
<p>Residencies are referred to as post graduate education.</p>
<p>sure. you are the expert and that warrants insulting LH.</p>
<p>Princess’Dad, as a Wikipedian, I am going to say the article you cited is not a very good article. It cites very few sources and the line that claims professional schools are graduate schools is completely uncited. This is one of those cases where you have to take Wikipedia with much more than a grain of salt.</p>
<p>Also regardless how school administrations are organized, colloquially 99% percent of time no one calls a law/med/optometry/dental/nursing/etc… student a graduate student.</p>
<p>so anyways… bottom line TAKE MATH.</p>
<p>Leftist,
Perhaps you should read better. The ariticle I quoted WAS the source from Stanford’s Graduate Schools.
Don’t know about “the common man”, but colloquially those in academics refer to all graduate studies as graduate schools; they do not differentiate between professional and other graduate programs. Those in medicine refer to residency as “post graduate education”.</p>
<p>Plus I take all Wikipedia with a grain of salt.</p>
<p>However, quibbles aside, math is a must.</p>
<p>Some more information, assuming that everyone’s intent is to seek a better understanding and not to hold to a debate position:</p>
<p>[What’s</a> the difference between graduate school and professional school? | Queen’s Career Services](<a href=“http://careers.queensu.ca/faq/whats-difference-between-graduate-school-and-profe]What’s”>http://careers.queensu.ca/faq/whats-difference-between-graduate-school-and-profe)</p>
<p>Really excellent explanation - one would not go on to a Masters in engineering if they had a Bachelors in history, because the graduate school is a higher level of the subject that was taken as an undergrad, while professional school is wholly disconnected from the prior undergrad degree.</p>
<p>Or take this form for the University of Missouri for someone who wishes to apply to both graduate and professional school <a href=“http://gradschool.missouri.edu/admission/dual_enrollment_professional.pdf[/url]”>http://gradschool.missouri.edu/admission/dual_enrollment_professional.pdf</a></p>
<p>Or here [Career</a> Development Services](<a href=“http://studentservices.fgcu.edu/Careers/gradvprof.html]Career”>http://studentservices.fgcu.edu/Careers/gradvprof.html)</p>
<p>Or a presentation from another school helping students choose between grad and professional schools <a href=“http://www.grossmont.edu/transfercenter/Graduate%20and%20Professional%20School.ppt[/url]”>http://www.grossmont.edu/transfercenter/Graduate%20and%20Professional%20School.ppt</a></p>
<p>another [Planning</a> for graduate or professional school | Career Services | Virginia Tech](<a href=“http://www.career.vt.edu/GradProfessionalSchool/Welcome.html]Planning”>http://www.career.vt.edu/GradProfessionalSchool/Welcome.html)</p>
<p>another [Interested</a> In Graduate Or Professional School?](<a href=“http://www.utexas.edu/student/cec/gradschool/]Interested”>http://www.utexas.edu/student/cec/gradschool/)</p>
<p>another [Providence</a> College - Graduate or Professional School](<a href=“http://www.providence.edu/Career/Students/Graduate+or+Professional+School.htm]Providence”>http://www.providence.edu/Career/Students/Graduate+or+Professional+School.htm)</p>
<p>another [Applying</a> to Graduate and Professional School](<a href=“http://www.careers.csulb.edu/majors_and_careers/applying_to_graduate_school.htm]Applying”>Career Development Center | California State University Long Beach)</p>
<p>Even Stanford which sometimes uses graduate school in a general sense, also clearly distinguishes as in this quote “how to prepare and apply to graduate, business, education, medical and law school” from [UAL</a> - Planning for Graduate and Professional School](<a href=“http://ual.stanford.edu/AP/planning_school/GraduateSchool.html]UAL”>http://ual.stanford.edu/AP/planning_school/GraduateSchool.html)</p>
<p>In fact, it is lay people who are neither in academia or in one of the professions who tend to think of both types as one informal ‘grad school’ label. Catering to the lack of precision makes sure that a visitor to a web site or a catalog will find the professional school even if they look for it under the ‘graduate school’ category. Or in some sense it is using the term graduate in an informal way to mean any school that is attended by someone who already holds a degree. Sure, we all speak in vernacular and use shorthand, imprecise words, but when someone offers a more accurate and precise name, they aren’t wrong because we sometimes choose to be folksy.</p>
<p>In the case of Stanford, the school of medicine is both a professional school, granting M.D. degrees, and a graduate school, offering Masters and PhDs for researchers. This can be the basis for many of the universities that use a generic ‘graduate’ label. Some will take that generic label and divide it into academic graduates schools and professional graduate schools, which blurs the definitions a bit.</p>
<p>However, to close the circle completely, hopefully there are enough citations to establish that LH was not suffering from poor command of the English language (including US usage) when he distinguished the two types of schools, thus raising questions about national origin or ethnicity (as in “don’t know what country you are from” from earlier post) was completely unwarranted.</p>
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<p>While I don’t know any history undergrads who earned master’s in engineering, I do know of a guy who earned his bachelor’s in biology, and then later earned an MS in civil engineering at MIT. It’s not at all clear to me what the connection is between biology and civil engineering, if any connection at all, and he freely admits that there he himself sees no connection. So does that mean that the MIT engineering program is not a ‘graduate’ program, at least for him? </p>
<p>The reverse was true of Vernon Smith: he earned his bachelor’s in EE from Caltech, then later earned a PhD in economics from Harvard, and later won the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economics in 2002. It’s not at all clear how electrical engineering is connected to economics. Does that mean that his PhD is not a graduate degree, but a ‘professional’ degree?</p>
<p>Again, Many schools have the medical and law and business schools as separate “school” within the graduate education program. Some as noted above separate the grad school of arts/science from the med school, law school, etc. But many don’t. Every faculty member I know at both law schools and medical schools would consider themselves at a graduate school.</p>
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