Calling all troops!

<p>I have never done this before, but my blood is boiling and I ask all of you to come and support me. It is under parents cafe sad day for troops and a poster named mini, has had the guts to say that the military has cleansed 4.8 million Iraqis, and looked the other way in the cities while people were killed.</p>

<p>This man works for the VA in Washington and directly with injured returning soldiers.</p>

<p>Unfortunately there are posters who believe him. Even a Marine wife came to his defense</p>

<p>Here are some of his comments:
post 27
**No one stands on the wall for me, thank you; I am well-prepared to personally deal with the Taliban in Olympia (I have much greater fear of the Christian “Students of God”), and if I was looking for Bin-Laden, I’d probably start in Egypt. **</p>

<p>post 30
I do NOT blame American servicemen and women for following orders; that is what they are trained to do. That they HAVE tortured people, systematically and on orders, is not in question; that they have participated in the ethnic cleansing of 4.8 million people is not in question; and that they support thugs (I never called the soldiers thugs) in Afghanistan is not in question. Those are simply factuals</p>

<p>Yes you read that right, servicemembers tortured people, and did ethnic cleansing</p>

<p>post 39
**“We will always have military members that struggle with PTSD, the only difference is now it is no longer something to hide like it was in previous wars.”</p>

<p>On the contrary, the military has now hidden it, by creating a fictitious diagnosis called PDS - “post-deployment stress”. By labeling soldiers this way, and denying access to psychologists who could provide PTSD diagnoses, the fictitious diagnoses means they can be sent back at a moment’s notice, without any treatment or intervention whatsoever. And doctors who perform evaluations (these are ones I work with) can be subject to discipline for making too many referrals to the psychologists.
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<p>post 40
**"Bill Clinton killed a million Iraqis, half of them children. I didn’t say that. UNICEF did. </p>

<p>"One quick way to annoy me is to say “I support the troops, but not the war”</p>

<p>Let’s be clear so that I can be sure not to annoy you: I do NOT support the troops or the war. I support human beings who find themselves put into difficult, if not impossible positions, called on to kill (or be killed, which I think is the lesser threat) on behalf of a government policy based on a lie, and which from its very inception had absolutely nothing to do with protecting me or you, my children or yours, or my speech or yours. And I spend much of my waking and working life providing such support as best I can.</p>

<p>“Put on JAM and my shoes tell me how would you feel if someone had that attitude and it was your child defending the US and your read a post like that?”</p>

<p>I’d say I’m thankful that there is someone out there who speaks the truth, and calls it as has already been demonstrated. They did engage in torture on the order of others (as was documented by a four-star general commissioned by the President of the United States to investigate), the aggressive, hostile occupation did result in the creation of 4.8 million refugees (as documented by the United Nations High Commission on Refugees), and they do support thugs who control most of the provinces in Afghanistan (too many citations to even try to document here.)**</p>

<p>Yes he said he did not support the troops</p>

<p>That’s mini…</p>

<p>You are not going to change the opinions expressed. Mini has some serious confirmation bias issues…not necessarily wrong, but VERY one sided.</p>

<p>Arguing with mini on this topic is a waste of breath, IMO. (I’ve done it on several occasions.)</p>

<p>here is his newest post on that thread!</p>

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<p>What frightens me is this guy works for the VA with returning injured vets.</p>

<p>Is this mini nothing more than a ■■■■■?</p>

<p>nope, MINI HAS THOUSANDS OF POSTS, he is close to 10K! He has been around since 2004</p>

<p>I can’t find the “parent’s cafe” forum.</p>

<p>Go over to the Parents side (listed above colleges on the left). When there you will be in the Parents Forum. AT the top it says Parents Cafe, under it says Elections and politics, hit that blue link.</p>

<p>Found it, thanks!</p>

<p>I just looked to see if he made more posts on other threads after I demanded him to show himself (2 p.m.). He did until 10 last night, because of that I am taking he turned tail and ran like a coward!</p>

<p>He’ll be back. People like that will never let you have the last word.</p>

<p>Now he is placing his answer on other threads because I kept my promis by calling him out on threads that I am on and he is too.</p>

<p>Here is the latest, his post on uh oh 250K (parents cafe elections) post 113 and then I responded on sad day to this. The man doesn’t even have the guts to return to sad day, now he is responding to me on other threads. Notice he did not respond to the topic, just me. Whereas, I posted on the topic and blurbed him</p>

<p>Quote:
“SERVICEMEMBERS FOR INSINUATING THAT THEY COMMIT WAR CRIMES LIKE CLEANSING AND TORTURE…”</p>

<p>I did not insinuate. I stated. I stated what a four-star general commissioned by the President of the United States wrote, and testifed to Congress. And what brave servicemen and women said who provided personal testimony to the General, and who are quoted by name in the report. I stated what U.S. servicemen have told me personally. </p>

<p>It is you, my friend, who needs to apologize to the General and to servicemen and women for calling them liars. </p>

<p>I will wait for your apology. Time for you to stand up.</p>

<p>As for me, I apologize to every serviceman and woman for not doing enough to keep them out of harm’s way, and who had to kill others, torture others, and stand by and watch others killed and removed from their homes (as well as risk death themselves) in the service of a lie. </p>

<p>First notice he says I did not insinuate, I stated, as in it is a fact.</p>

<p>He is saying I called servicemembers liars. Well I guess he is right, because if these servicemembers, including the 4 star general who he refuses to name lied, than I called them liars.</p>

<p>Now let’s move a little bit further down to this:
who had to kill others, torture others, and stand by and watch others killed and removed from their homes </p>

<p>Yes you read this right he believes that service members killed and tortured innocent civilians and also were forced to watch.</p>

<p>At the risk of being flamed…</p>

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<li> I have no proof…but I’m sure there are soldiers who have tortured on order or without orders. Certainly at least some of those that did so without orders are being dealt with. As they say “sh-t happens” and the military, as with most, if not all, institutions has its own share of corruption, crime and illegalities. Not all, just some. The bad of some though makes the rest look bad…that’s life.</li>
<li> I happen to agree that the war in Iraq was based on a lie. That said, I have no doubt that there are many who strongly disagree and many who agree. Doesn’t make either side right or wrong. We are there and have to deal with it. “Should” be done properly, humanely, and legally. In this century, millenia,…I would venture to guess that the ROE are quite different than in previous wars and thus prone to violations of proper military conduct and the Geneva Convention. Not saying it is thus “justified” just saying people are having a hard time figuring out where the line is, if there is one. Abu Graib (sp?) is clearly something that should never have happened.</li>
<li> Ask him to cite the specific language of UNICEF where it allegedly states that Clinton killed 1 Million Iraqis. First off, it is just plan wrong. Clinton didn’t kill them. Others perhaps did…but then the question is…was it justified or unjustified? Was it accidental or intentional? What were the circumstances? In a war it is unfortunate, but innocents are killed. I’m sure most people attempt to avoid that …</li>
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<p>B&P, please don’t make a personal attack and get banned!</p>

<p>Mini has his own opinions–VERY strong, VERY imbalanced, and VERY anti-OIF/GWOT.</p>

<p>I am behaving, but I am sick and tired of his venom that he spews toward the servicemember</p>