Or, at least there is (the beginnings of) one in the middle school described in #77.
Tutumom, jumping over the generalization, school is for the most part done this year probably and for your D the middle school years, and sex education is not generally part of a high school curriculum since it’s almost to late, but if it is in your district, I would look and see if it’s only about STDs and pregnancy or if it covers behaviors around sex, drinking and drugs. At minimum it would be a good legacy for the next bunch coming up to cover these topics. I recall 8th grade so well…some kids were already “dating and kissing in the hallway” and others of us were still very immature in that regard. It’s a rough time but the best time to talk to kids.
Tutumom2001,
Thanks for describing the rape culture. With that crap you descibe in middle school, what are the high school years going to look like?
@momofthreeboys It wasn’t a public middle school, the kids wear uniforms (no ballcaps or tshirts for anyone), and my daughter is transferring into a public high school, so we are leaving that school behind.
Oh, and the counselor has been fired.
I have a “freshly-teenaged” daughter and a son entering kindergarten, so when I apply it hypothetiocally to my kids, I worry about both sides in any college rape situation. I love @Lindagaf post, and I am sadly incompetent enough to quote it here, her main point is that we need to teach both boys and girls to take responsibility and not to get involved with someone who is drunk. I have no illusion that my daughter could end up an alcohol abstainer, but I believe she is smart enough, after reading many of these stories, to watch her drinking, stick to sealed bottles to avoid being roofied, not get involved with drunk guys, choose a “safe” venue from where she could call for help if necessary, and possibly learn self-defense to protect herself from a “classic” rapist. I know I am over-simplifying, but I think there is a certain playbook, and if she plays by the rules, she could most likely avoid being raped.
However, when my son grows up, I may need to tell him - no matter how many precautions you take, and how respectful you are, and how careful you are to engage in any sexual activity with only consenting sober woman, you as a man are always at risk of being accused of rape, and you need to protect yourself as much as you can. I am obviously not referring to the Stanford case, it was a straightforward rape, but to multiple cases around the country where guys get falsely accused or labeled as rapists by college even when their partners agree the sex was consented. Maybe in 15 years college boys would all be wearing body cameras or recorders, just like cops are starting to do, to prove their innocence Yes, I am being sarcastic but somehow I worry more about my son’s college years than my daughter’s.
@typiCAmom I remember reading that Billy Graham would never be left alone with a woman, not even in an elevator. I would definitely encourage boys to take a similar approach. On the flip side of my college years, I also knew many boys who would genuinely take care of passed-out girls in their frat houses and made sure they got home safe and sound.
@typCAmom,
You have it backwards. More women are more likely to be sexually assaulted than men being falsely accused.
I don’t know why people worry more about the guys than the girls. There must be this psychological issue going on.
Maybe men are the weaker sense.
I am a man. I don’t think so but maybe I am wrong.
Just look at @tutumom2001’s post.
Middle school girls already harassed.
I have a son and two daughters.
I don’t worry about my son.
I do think you have to talk to your 'boys" about being careful. Even if Title IX craziness falters and they are albeit slowly, the risk is always there if the colleges continue to adjudicate sexual assault (or drunk sex take your pick). As mother we are women and we know what to say to daughters, we know how to keep ourselves as safe as we are able, but the boys…this is something that wasn’t even an issue when my oldest went to college in 2006, but is a hot topic with my now college junior. He and pals used to “help” some of the girls in his dorm as freshman and in some threads a year or so ago “we” talked about some of the things our sons have done, but some college campuses have become so contentious that they definitely think twice or at a minimum have someone with them as a witness. The girls could sober up and have no idea what went on. Way in the back of my mind I wonder if it was “one Swede” in this case…would he have stopped or would he have simply called 911 and moved on not wanting to be near her. I hope he would stop but I’m not 100% certain he would have.
Got me. That probably wasn’t expressed in the desired way.
I went to college in the middle of cornfields in the early '70s. And I can testify that there is nothing new about binge drinking, recreational drugs, and causal sex among college students. Same with sexual assault. From my vantage point, the dialogue and definitions have changed, but the behavior is not that different.
^ The statistics agree with you.
But who needs statistics when one has “memories” and “experiences.”
77 sounds like my school, a private that could be far less tolerant of shenanigans but chooses to do otherwise. We had groping in the back of a school bus in grade 9, as well as some very crude comments about kids two grades below us. One was a younger sibling, and as you can imagine I was kind of mad. Administrators said "boys will be boys."
Fast-forward a few years, and I can think of two classmates who’ve put up with what would be considered sexual harassment in any court of law. The perpetrators spend their free time dragging our class’s average GPA down and mixing hard drugs that really shouldn’t be combined. They’ve been told off (not disciplined) once. I guess boys will be boys. There’s just one problem with that view: many of us manage to be boys without being complete i*.
It’s like something out of Mad Men. Where are the zero-tolerance advocates when you really need them?
^. The zero tolerance advocates are out suspending six year olds for sexual harrassment.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/11/living/6-year-old-suspended-kissing-girl/
And if they don’t get them in kindergarten, they can get them in third and fourth grade
http://www.mercurynews.com/my-town/ci_25752932/third-grade-student-removed-from-fremont-elementary-school
http://kdvr.com/2015/11/13/love-note-lands-4th-grade-student-in-trouble-for-possible-sexual-harassment/
Drinking and casual sex have been around on college campuses forever and probably will always be prevalent. I do think social media and texting have helped to propagate the hook up culture in that people can hide behind their electronic devices to hook up and not use advanced social skills to develop sexual intimacy that was necessary to get laid back in the 70s, 80s, and 90s. Disclosure of information happens in the first few text messages compared in the past it would take several dates to learn of such intel.
@Ohiodad51, those headlines are incendiary. The stories lack information. But you wrote ‘zero tolerance advocates’
which was the point of your post. I hope you feel better.
@Baylorpoly, after reading your post I had to work backwards and try to remember if I got laid in the 70’s, 80’s or 90’s. I had a kid in 1986 so I think my social skills were advanced enough. I admit I was worried.
@Ohiodad51 I thought the DCL was in fact codified through the SAVE Act. It’s an amendment to the Clery Act which keeps all the reporting requirements under Clery and then incorporates the language of the DCL. It was introduced back in 2013 by Senator Bob Casey. I have linked an overview and if you go to the bottom of the first page it references “Conduct Proceedings” which looks to simply incorporate the DCL:
@Ohiodad51 Among other things…
Yes, some young women are abusing Ambien. However, it’s hard to take a cop who doesn’t realize it’s also used as a date rape drug seriously. Not only will the victim fall asleep…so you can skip the fighting back part…but also it causes loss of memory in many people. In other words, I’d bet quite a bit that some of those young women who had Ambien in their system were in effect “roofied” by someone who gave them Ambien while they were drinking. If anyone wants to read more…here are a few links.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_rape_drug (See under documented date rape drugs.)
http://www.narconon.org/drug-information/ambien.html (See especially part under the word amnesia.)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/15/ambien-side-effect-sleepwalking-sleep-aid_n_4589743.html
There are a gazillion more…just google.
Why would a woman who wants to party take Ambien?
@jonri, thanks for the links.
It is a drug of abuse. It doesn’t necessarily make you fall asleep, just alters your consciousness if you don’t go to bed. The piece is correct that it exaggerates the effect of alcohol.