<p>you won’t get full tuition at Clemson but you will get a decent amount of money (usually equivalent to the difference between in-state and out of state tuition + some with your stats)</p>
<p>UPITT - my son received a full tuition scholarship from UPITT with a 1400 CR & M combo.</p>
<p>Applied VERY early - applied august - app was complete by 2nd week of September.</p>
<p>Rec’d notification of Full Tuition Scholarship October 26th.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.neuroscience.pitt.edu/programs/undergraduate/[/url]”>http://www.neuroscience.pitt.edu/programs/undergraduate/</a></p>
<p>I had very similar stats and got full tuition at Goucher and was a finalist for full tuition at Swarthmore.</p>
<p>Originally Posted by mom2collegekids
it is especially odd when a pre-med student eliminates schools that don’t have neuroscience (or biomedE) since med schools aren’t going to care what you got your degree in and they aren’t going to mind that you took those courses in another discipline without being “the major.”</p>
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<p>The “pre-meds doing biomedical engineering” is probably due to the perception that “engineering = good job at graduation in case medical school does not work out” <a href=“though%20biomedical%20engineering%20tends%20to%20be%20relatively%20poor%20compared%20to%20most%20other%20engineering%20majors%20in%20that%20respect,%20%5B/b%5D%20though%20usually%20better%20than%20plain%20biology%20or%20chemistry”>b</a> and the fact that it is the most “convenient” engineering major to include pre-med course work in.</p>
<p>I completely agree that some students (my own son included) chose an engineering major as a back up plan in case he changed his mind about med school. </p>
<p>And, I completely agree that BiomedE is a risky major because job placement with a BiomedE degree is poor, as opposed to someone graduating with EE, MechE, or ChemE. </p>
<p>However, I think something different is going on with pre-meds who are choosing BioMedE as their undergrad major. </p>
<p>I think they are choosing it because it sounds sexy and think that SOMs will be chomping at the bit to get a student with such a degree. In truth, med schools won’t care at all, and any engineering major is seriously risking his GPA for med school admissions. The GPA’s within engineering are much lower than one might think. The 4.X+ GPA high school kid can easily find himself struggling to keep a GPA north of 3.0. </p>
<p>Even the student who isn’t med school bound and wants to do grad school research in BioMedE doesn’t need to get an undergrad degree in that major. BioMedE grad schools accept students with undergrad degrees in MechE, BioChemE, ChemE, and some other majors.</p>
<p>Minnie…what is your situation? How much will your parents pay? If you have a budget from them - say $10k-15k per year - then you’d need at least a full tuition scholarship so that their contribution can pay for room, board, books, fees, and misc.</p>
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<p>Excuse me…my kid has an undergrad degree in biomedical engineering. She chose it because she LIKED the course of study in the engineering field and because she hope it will help her with future jobs/grad school applications. She did NOT choose it “because it sounds sexy”. To be honest, that is very insulting and demeaning to those who have chosen this major…which by the way is no walk in the park in terms of coursework.</p>
<p>Oh…and we recently discussed job prospects with a friend who works in the bio field and he said that at this point the market is picking up AND he feels that students with a biomed engineering degree demonstrate a certain type of thinking and skill set…which he looks for. Most, if not all, engineering jobs provide on the job training.</p>
<p>Oh…and just for the record…my kid MIGHT be considering a career in the medical field and this also fulfilled the prerequisite requirements for grad schools for these careers.</p>
<p>It’s okay to have a back up plan, especially these days. Low, in the days of old (1983) my sweet husband did the same. He chose biochem over biology knowing that if med school didn’t work out, grad school would.</p>
<p>I’d also like to put in a plug for another CUSA school and my alma mater, Southern Miss. Often overlooked but a great school for the sciences. Their polymer science dept is certainly up there with top tier schools. Much of the development for the space shuttle tiles was done at USM. My husband and I both got a fine education there. </p>
<p>Oh, and the med school thing worked out :). DH got the best medical education available at taxpayer expense: Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences, aka military med school.</p>
<p>Thumper, no offense to your D. If I remember correctly, your D wasn’t pre-med when she chose one of her two majors…I know that now that’s she’s out of school, she’s considering a medical profession (last I heard, not MD.). </p>
<p>Also, I thought that your D’s degree was in BioEngineering. I didn’t think your D’s school had a BioMedE undergrad degree. </p>
<p>Anyway…I’m talking about high schools students who want to be pre-med who think that BioMedE is some ticket to med school…and yes, there are high school kids who think that way. They frequently post in the Pre-med forums. </p>
<p>And, while you may have a friend in the bio field who is looking for biomedE BS grads, that discipline has less employment opportunities than a EE, MechE, or some other E disciplines. More frequently, that discipline needs a grad degree. That isn’t the case with those with BS in EE or MechE. </p>
<p>And, of course, the major isn’t some walk in the park. I don’t think anyone implied that. I know that I suggested that it’s very difficult, hence the challenge to maintain a high GPA.</p>
<p>I agree that if it’s a major that will likely go on to grad school, then actual name of majoring in neuro not as important as having classes for grad school you want to go to. At USC the neuroscience minor can be approached from pyschology or biology angle as entry point. There is an intro to neuro for honors students.</p>
<p>It should be no offense to any student who chooses bioengineering of any type. Not just my daughter.</p>
<p>It is not an offense to choose any major, and I greatly admire kid and envy those parents who have kids who have some idea of what they want to do in college. It helps a lot in direction. However, I also agree that when a student has a very narrow focus, and needs funds, it is not a good idea to restrict the choices to such a major and to look for other ways that the subject can be addressed. </p>
<p>Biomedical engineering has become such a hot major at some schools that it is highly selective in itself and become a cash cow of sorts. At my alma mater, an exception to the binding contract of Early Decision is if the student wants to be a Biomedical Engineering major, and does not get accepted in that program. So many kids that the college desires, choose this as a major, and though the school wants those kids and are willing to accept them ED, they cannot take them all for the program, and they have a good sized program. So it goes with a number of schools with this major.
Especially when financial need is involved. Some flexibility can go a long way.</p>
<p>UT Dallas. Check into the McDermott Scholars program and their honors college.</p>
<p>Possibly Baylor, though it’s getting more competitive.</p>
<p>another plug for utdallas…not only mcdermott (as very selective) but utdallas has a policy that if you receive even 1000 in merit, you qualify for instate tuition…S2 was accepted there and after merit applied, only would have been about 5-8 k out of pocket.</p>
<p>Re: Biomedical Engineering</p>
<p>27 years ago i changed my major (master’s) at UT Austin from BME to EE because all my seniors were pursuing PhDs and opening new BME programs! To date there aren’t enough BME jobs to absorb the supply.</p>
<p>Try Wofford if you are looking for strong academics at a nice but not as well-known liberal arts college. (The campus is beautiful, too.) They are very, very generous with merit aid. (Have your GC nominate you as a wofford scholar.)
<a href=“http://www.wofford.edu/neuroscience/[/url]”>http://www.wofford.edu/neuroscience/</a></p>
<p>*It should be no offense to any student who chooses bioengineering of any type. Not just my daughter.
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<p>You missed my point. My point was concerning high school kids who assume that BioMedE is a ticket to med school. There are kids who choose that major because they think it </p>
<p>sounds impressive to med schools, when in fact, med schools don’t care. The same can be said about the pre-meds who think that they will impress med schools by double/triple majoring. That’s not an insult to kids who double major. The point is that none of those things matter to med schools, and making some of these choices can backfire GPA-wise.</p>
<p>There are also kids who think attending an ivy is a ticket to med school, and that thinking is wrong. That’s not an insult to those who want to attend or did attend an ivy. </p>
<p>*I agree that if it’s a major that will likely go on to grad school, then actual name of majoring in neuro not as important as having classes for grad school you want to go to. At USC the neuroscience minor can be approached from pyschology or biology angle as entry point. There is an intro to neuro for honors students.
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<p>Exactly.</p>
<p>And I know that my son’s PhD program accepted apps from students with a range of undergrad degrees…eng’g, math, physics, and some others.</p>
<p>As Cpn says, “flexibility can go a long way.”</p>
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<p>I think you are relating truths from state med schools or lower ranked (not the same as bad) med schools. When we’ve gone to presentations from top ranked med schools they’ve always had student panels with current med school students. Those students have resumes that are pretty impressive including tough majors and double majors as well as various ECs. Like a top school admit in general, there is no golden ticket, but I do think admissions want to see kids who take on challenges of various sorts and succeed.</p>
<p>To get into college in general, one mainly needs stats. To get into top colleges you need top stats and extras. It appears to be the same for top med schools from what I’ve seen (though again, no golden ticket - Ivy - major choice or whatever). Those who want to be candidates for the top shouldn’t shy away from challenge or be told to do so. They should pick something they like (as my guy did with neuroscience - he’s seriously considering research in it instead of med school, but will see what he thinks over the next couple of years) and go for it.</p>
<p>I think its presumptouous of any of us to assume that students choose a major that they think will “impress” a professional or grad program. Give students some credit. They know better than that. Most students choose a major because it interests them. </p>
<p>As an aside, there is a Biomedical Engineering degree offered jointly by Ga Tech and Emory. Its an impressive program and by no means a walk in the park. The advances being made in the field of bioengineering are incredible. Not everyone wants to go into the practice of medicine. Many want to go into R&D and to develop the tools and resources that will be used in medicine. Cool stuff.</p>
<p>Wofford.
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/14447122-post34.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/14447122-post34.html</a></p>
<p>Be aware that full tuition scholarships may still leave you $15K/year costs, if room/board and fees are high.</p>
<p>I think its presumptouous of any of us to assume that students choose a major that they think will “impress” a professional or grad program</p>
<p>Do I assume that most students do this? no. Do I KNOW that some students do this? YES. There have been a number of students who’ve posted in the pre-med forums with exactly that agenda…ranging from expecting med schools to be impressed by X major, double majors, minors, etc.</p>