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Most often, the person who tells another to "get over him- or herself" often has the same problem. I suggest dealing with it before providing advice to others.
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<p>Tu quoque.</p>
<p>Good call.</p>
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Tu quoque.
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<p>Hardly.</p>
<p>The TQ version of the fallacy is only committed when one argues in favor of a necessary conclusion on the basis of premises involving the "attack." </p>
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Good call.
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<p>And as is so predictable, you are the first to jump on the idiot bandwagon.</p>
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nspeds, your comments throughout the thread are extremely condescending. Calling other peoples ideas "pitiful" is no way to have a meaningful discussion.
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<p>Yay, and you're doing such a good job yourself!</p>
<p>By the way, wasn't I the one who contributed the helpful link? It actually earned a "thank you" from someone; care to tell me what you've done?</p>
<p>I'll tell you: nothing.</p>
<p>You guys need not only to learn your informal fallacies, but also how they work. Simply because the ad hominem attack is fallacy, that does not mean that one cannot argue that the other is probably wrong on the basis of, say, his or her character. The fallacy simply means that he/she is not necessarily wrong on the basis of his/her character. It is a simply case of modality. Don't worry, I don't think you're intelligent enough to understand it, so I forgive you.</p>
<p>In the academic world, I believe you can be wrong. Teachers want to see whether you read the material, understand the authors arguments, and fully understand the theory.</p>
<p>If you are talking about philosophy in general, you have much more breathing room. Throughout time people have been "wrong" but people build upon the arguments of the past to give us a stronger perception of the human condition.</p>
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Don't worry, I don't think you're intelligent enough to understand it, so I forgive you.
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<p>I have yet to take a Philosophy class: I suppose it shows, although your statement did seem like a fallacy. Either way, you're a fool if you think you are superior to everyone you speak with, which is implied by your statement. Lest we forget, you achieved an amazing 2.3 in high school, so you are in no position to say someone is not intelligent enough to eventually understand something. </p>
<p>And let us also not forget that I am at a community college, as I'm sure that thought is formulating in your mind.</p>
<p>Philosophy is obviously your field of expertise as it is your major. If you think you are so intelligent, perhaps we should discuss mathematics to bring you down a notch.</p>
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Lest we forget, you achieved an amazing 2.3 in high school, so you are in no position to say someone is not intelligent enough to eventually understand something.
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<p>Okay, don't let me paste your WashU essay, which was pathetic for a college student. We should be evaluating that essay since we are, after all, talking about present performance.</p>
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If you think you are so intelligent, perhaps we should discuss mathematics to bring you down a notch.
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<p>Uhh... okay? I'm taking a quantum physics course here at Georgetown, and a course on the philosophy of mathematics. Your statement actually brings you "down a notch," given that you would assume my mathematic skills are poor, even though proficiency with Tarski's definition of truth requires some degree of mathematical proficiency as well.</p>
<p>I might have had a 2.3 GPA four years ago, but you are sucking now.</p>
<p>You saved my essay? How quaint. </p>
<p>Anyways, writing is a very subjective matter. I happened to think my essay was very good, as did many others. Your Chicago essay was in no way amazing, by the way. </p>
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Your statement actually brings you "down a notch,"
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<p>This is, of course, your opinion and not fact. I know it's difficult for you to differentiate between the two.</p>
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I might have had a 2.3 GPA four years ago, but you are sucking now.
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<p>Yes, a 3.92 is awful. Of course, I'll let you know what schools I end up getting into and you can help me pick. ;) Either way, you can continue to improve and I and others will be impressed by your present intelligence: in the end, you were an idiot in high school. I know it's difficult to face facts.</p>
<p>Anyways nspeds, this is all in fun. It's nice to debate with someone, even if the topic does become trivial. </p>
<p>Let's not hate.</p>
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I know it's difficult to face facts.
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<p>Yeah, and you are an idiot now. I don't blame you.</p>
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Yes, a 3.92 is awful.
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<p>Yes, let us not forget about context;)</p>
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I happened to think my essay was very good, as did many others.
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<p>That's good. Of course, that is just their opinion. No point in trying to improve an essay when you cherry-pick only from the positive opinions.</p>
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Your Chicago essay was in no way amazing, by the way.
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<p>It wasn't an essay. It was a short-answer. I hope you understand the difference. At any rate, it got me in; obviously, your opinion doesn't correspond with the facts, given that even you have claimed that UChicago values the essay/short-answers quite highly.</p>
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This is, of course, your opinion and not fact. I know it's difficult for you to differentiate between the two.
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<p>It can be, at times: after all, I do only tend to say facts, since I am almost always right. Inductively, I just cannot tell when I'm wrong anymore. Why should I? A 3.8+ GPA at a school like Georgetown tends to inflate your ego a bit.</p>
<p>More seriously, though, your statement has no cognitive significance whatsoever.</p>
<p>I'm done here. This has descended into a series of petty insults. There is no point in mingling with intellectual inferiors.</p>
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No point in trying to improve an essay when you cherry-pick only from the positive opinions.
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<p>The negative opinions were non-existant and I recall using several of your recommendations. If I am admitted, I'll be sure to thank you publicly.</p>
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It wasn't an essay. It was a short-answer.
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<p>You make great points.</p>
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I do only tend to say facts, since I am almost always right
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<p>I suppose this is a recent phenomenon then, correct? I mean, you couldn't tend to state facts and get so many C's in high school. So when did the transformation occur, and what brought you to a higher state of intelligence that I and many other intellectual inferiors strive for? Do tell.</p>
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More seriously, though, your statement has no cognitive significance whatsoever.
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<p>Correct. I just wanted to point out my hypothesis that you think you are always right, which you confirmed. Well done.</p>
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This has descended into a series of petty insults
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<p>Yes, nothing substantiative and no harm done. Friends? :)</p>
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substantiative
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<p>Is that even a word?</p>
<p>I rest my case.</p>
<p>Indeed, it is an adjective. Adjectives are modifiers of nouns. </p>
<p>I rest my case. ;)</p>
<p>There's not enough room in this form for both of you to rest your cases. I'm sorry, but you guys are going to have to duel.</p>
<p>Dearsiryes - would you like to play too? </p>
<p>At this point, we're debating words which exist. Nspeds is about to revolutionize the English language. Let's watch.</p>
<p>I like this nspeds guy.</p>
<p>Balls to the wall mother ****ers!</p>
<p>And the winner by knockout is.......brand_182!</p>
<p>Thank you, thank you. It's been a nice debate, but the victory is even greater when I get to see my opponent destroy himself in the process. </p>
<p>Anyways, back on topic (hopefully)...</p>
<p>Wow, I'm quite amazed at how stupid you are considering your major and school nspeds. Of course, it would take a real loser to go to CC and try to act superior once they're already in college. </p>
<p>I pity you, if you act anything like this in real life you must have no friends. Of course, when one has a horrible GPA in high school and must act condescending towards others while not contributing a thoughtful answer, it's quite obvious that an inferiority complex is present, ever considered that?</p>
<p>Anyway, have fun attempting to prove your superiority, but everyone will see you for what you are.</p>
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You'll notice I used a lot of your suggestions. I'll have to thank you publicly if I'm accepted. :D</p>
<p>It is only now, as I write this essay, that I realize how ecstatic I am. In two years I have evolved from a mediocre high school student who lacked direction into an avid learner who holds the future in his hands. In retrospect, although I was initially uncertain about my decision to enroll at Montgomery Community College, I realize that it was one of the best choices I have ever made. My time at Montgomery has been both invaluable and enlightening. The combination of intelligent, personable professors, accessible, student-oriented administrators, and a sincere, encouraging mentor has been essential to my development as a student and a person. While I will treasure the experience and the friends I have made along the way, it has become my greatest desire to transfer and continue my education. For numerous reasons, Washington University in St. Louis is the most befitting school for me: in terms of academic quality, Washington University, world-renowned for its excellence and home to a brilliant, motivated student body, creates an environment that fosters intellectual enrichment. The moderate-sized undergraduate population and small class sizes ensure that I will be able to take advantage of the opportunities presented by the university and not merely become another number. Furthermore, the Combined Studies program is a major draw for me as it encourages even transfer students to pursue various disciplines and allows them to study across the colleges with ease. As I have interests in Economics, Mathematics, and Philosophy, this unique approach to interdisciplinary studies has been an important factor in my decision to apply. In addition, I have yet to master a second language and have a strong desire to study abroad: as a transfer student who may not have the time to spend a full semester abroad, the Summer Language Institute, which offers students a chance to immerse themselves in a foreign culture and intensely study the language, is ideal. Still, Washington University exceeds my expectations in more than just academics. The beauty of the campus and the surrounding area, as well as its location in St. Louis, were both factors in my decision to apply. I also greatly desire the feeling of community created by the residential college system and would like to take advantage of the opportunity to live with other transfer students in the Village, which is unique to Washington University. Nevertheless, what has really won me over has been the social atmosphere of the school. While I have not had the luxury of visiting in person, numerous students and administrators with whom I have spoken have emphasized the friendly atmosphere of the school. This friendliness has been exemplified by the sincerity and kindness of the admissions office, which has reaffirmed my desire to attend. For these reasons, Washington University in St. Louis is the ideal setting for continuing my education.
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<p>By the way, brand, all the comments were good?</p>
<p>I seem to recall a private message saying that all the comments you received were subpar, and not as helpful.</p>
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The negative opinions were non-existant
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<p>Huh? Then what was this?</p>
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Okay, don't let me paste your WashU essay, which was pathetic for a college student.
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<p>Let's not go further about your inability to read.</p>
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Indeed, it is an adjective. Adjectives are modifiers of nouns.
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<p>Sorry, I use the Oxford American Dictionary, and according to it, the word does not exist.</p>
<p>Perhaps you mean... 'substantive.' That's a good boy.</p>
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nd the winner by knockout is.......brand_182!
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<p>Wow! And we have a really impartial judge here..
remember that crap you were saying about how semantics are "subjective." That's a lot of semantics right here.</p>
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s even greater when I get to see my opponent destroy himself in the process.
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<p>Brand, I've told you this many times before: debating me here is pointless. Your insults cannot offend me simply because I cannot be offended by people I don't respect, and I simply don't respect intellectual inferiors. I'm not sure how I "destroyed" myself, given that this is an internet forum. You are taking this far too seriously. In the end, I am at a top school, with an outstanding GPA, decent LSAT, and am probably heading to a decent law school. Do I care what you think? Why should I? Does the opinion of a dumb community college student matter to me? No. Now if you were actually someone important or someone, whose opinion I value greatly, I would be seriously offended.</p>
<p>Seriously I have nothing to lose here. The fact that you have gone through such great lengths to defend yourself and compensate for my attacks against your intellectual vanity demonstrates only your intellectual insecurity. You can win an internet debate. Here, I declare you the winner. Did you really win, though? You're still stuck at a community college as a second-year student. After my second year, I got into Rice and the University of Chicago, the latter of which is probably the highest ranked school at which you have a chance. What do you get by comparing yourself to me? I earned my GPA after my second year here at GTown and then got in to UChi and Rice, which is arguably quite hard– especially in comparison to CC courses.</p>
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<p>And this is something with which I take issue: why are you not also criticizing brand?
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<p>Doesn't that strike you equally as bad? It does to me. The fact that you guys are pinning this against me while failing to recognize the same flaws in yourselves is quite telling, and the fact that I have to argue with you all about this for 10 or so posts here is also quite telling.</p>
<p>Who is the person who can really take this stuff– my so-called superiority? The person who can shrug it off and ignore it. In only a few posts, I've managed to make a few idiots get defensive. You are all defensive for a reason: I hit you pretty badly. If I didn't hit you that hard, then you should be able to walk away from this thread without making a retort.</p>
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when one has a horrible GPA in high school and must act condescending towards others while not contributing a thoughtful answer, it's quite obvious that an inferiority complex is present, ever considered that?
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<p>Once again, I wonder what this is:</p>
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Here is a helpful link on writing a philosophy paper:</p>
<p>He taught at Princeton philosophy, but is now at NYU.
Thank you; very useful link!
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<p>You've contributed speculation. I've contributed stuff by a tenured professor at one of the nation's best philosophy departments. Which is more helpful? I have arguably made the best contribution to this thread.</p>
<p>By the way, brand, I will happily get the hotlinks to my high school stats and college stats so you can show them to everyone. I don't care. I'm proud of it: the fact that I rebounded from a 2.3 to the top 10% of my class is actually quite astounding, and I am very proud of myself for doing so. I would be more than glad if you emphasized that to everyone here, for it is definitely an accomplishment that people should try to mirror.</p>
<p>I am not going to apologize for posting your essay. I think it's awful. Then again, what do I know? I just had a 2.3 in high school. I am not one of the best students in one of the nation's best schools or anything like that.</p>