“Eliminate merit aid, drop the tuition then limit the number of applications. Get rid of ED.”
Are we done feeling sorry for the facts of life? What’s next??? Take away Santa and Mickey Mouse?
The corporate world and even politics is much harder than college admission process.
Just dance to the music and don’t complain that is not your favorite song or that you don’t have a partner…That is life!
@Volunteerism agreed whine while you wine and move on…
^ Why make something more expensive, more time consuming, more inefficient and more unfair than it needs to be when there are more inexpensive, less time consuming, more efficient and more equitable solutions?
I was responding to people who want to limit the number of applications. I think it is necessary for kids to be able to cast a wide net to make college affordable so I don’t think that’s a good idea. And yes tuition has risen way faster than inflation.
Don’t get me wrong I don’t like the game but I gain nothing by venting out. I just get in the ring and fight!!!
***Tenacity and endurance.
“Victory belongs to those who believe in it the most and believe in it the longest”
This thread has many examples of very high achieving applicants being wait listed. At my S’s school, some top students got wait listed, while some with lesser qualifications in every way were accepted. It’s obvious that CWRU is trying to improve yield by guessing who will actually come. The school created this mess by making it too easy to apply. They invite marginally interested applicants by: 1) requiring no essay explaining why you want to come to CWRU, 2) having a late January 15 application deadline, and 3) having no application fee. (Some here say they paid one, but my son wasn’t asked for one, and he never requested a waiver). If CWRU wants to fix this problem, raise the effort needed to apply.
@Volunteerism true currently staging world war 3 on the college front.
@Veryapparent - Your D sounds like another kid denied at her top choice by yield management – they didn’t think she’d come. If it’s a typical school where the wait list odds are very slim, you have little to lose by having her contact that school and making a hard nosed offer – “You offer me a place and I WILL come, with no financial aid.”
We can blame whoever we want. It doesn’t change the facts, next 2 bubbles are Student Debt and Healthcare cost.
@PPofEngrDr I hear what you are saying and that was exactly my point. It sounds good in theory, but in execution a system like that would not come together for many reasons. My son is pre-med and we applied to 17 schools, We didn’t apply to any of the BS/MD types of programs for several reasons. First and foremost is that the ones at the good schools are very hard to get into and we already felt like we were applying to too many schools. Also, the ones where a high stat kid like my son has a reasonable expectation of getting into the direct admit program are at schools that we were not thrilled about. And lastly, most of those types of programs we looked at had undergraduate GPA and performance requirements that if you fulfilled them you are basically a great candidate for any medical school, but at which point you are locked into their medical school at whatever price they wanted, etc. it seems like a better deal for the school than for the students. At SLU for example, most kids drop out of their BS/MD before finishing their undergrad and a lot of those that do make it through choose to give up their guaranteed spot at SLU’s medical school to apply to other schools. I’m sure there are some great programs if I looked harder, but in the end I trust my kid’s abilities to go the traditional route and I wanted him to enjoy a great undergrad experience.
@CardinalGreen She is just accepting that she won’t attend. She has had a lot of merit from some other great schools including Case. It was her only WL and one of her lowest ranked schools… Love the school that loves you back.
@EDHDAD filtered i put my money on table…
@BigBallerBrand12345678910 so if we CAN’T log in we got Accepted?
@BigBallerBrand12345678910 so if we CAN’T log in we got Accepted?
@bsms2018 The alumni interviews are done by alumni volunteers. There has to be one in your area and they only have to have the capacity to do so many interviews. I do as many as I can, but not every potential student that is within 20 miles of me as there are many.
@CardinalGreen Case, like other universities, wants to increase their national ranking. I assume that acceptance rates have something to do with that. So if you get more applications, you get a better acceptance rate. Ivys do it too…my kid got Ivy mailings as well…just wanted more applications.
@bopper We got Ivy mail as well, but the amount of mail from Case was insane.
IMO, if Case cannot maintain the yield, I think Case should look into what they offer to the students. Case is certainly not alone in being used by Ivy kids as safety, but are other colleges not able to maintain the yield rate?
@CardinalGreen As much as we as parents want to establish a pecking order for our children and their peers at school based on GPA’s and ACT’s, it’s not that simple. Like it or not, a lot of other factors play a role in the admission process which can lead to results that don’t look fair at first, but probably would make more sense to you if you had all of the complete application profiles the way the school adcoms do. Beyond the obvious GPA, ACT, Essays, Letters of Rec, etc are variables like race, family income, and choice of major that produce a lot of unexpected results. It’s not all yield protection.
^^assuming it is not because of yield protection. IMO, the Case Adcoms are obviously not great in picking the class given they have to pull some many students from the waitlist.
@annamom I think these schools do the best they can given the tens of thousands of applications they get. Probably nobody who wasn’t picked thinks they do a good job picking.