Caution Regarding Taking SAT More Than Once

<p>A co-worker's S is going through he77 because his score changed more than the ETS thought fit their statistical model. He took it in the winter and did OK (I don't know his exact score but its probably around 1250-1300). Then he retook and only scored (say) 1100. ETS is accusing him of cheating on the first one. They don't come right out and say that but that's what they mean. After he loses the challenge (and he will because statistics don't lie - geez), the kid's faced with having both scores thrown out. Lucky for him he didn't have ETS send them to his colleges - his HS did. So he's already been accepted to numerous schools based on the first set of scores and ETS doesn't know what schools have them. But its been a real PITA for the kid and dad.</p>

<p>I guess the moral of the story is take it more than once and vary to much and you're assumed to have cheated.</p>

<p>Because of this my D will probably not retake them. She got 800 on M and 710 V 660 W. So she was thinking about taking it again but only focusing on the V and W. But not now. Why risk raising their ire?</p>

<p>I'm gonna go ahead and say this nonsense post made to scare people to not retake the SAT and not get higher scores in order to lower competition.</p>

<p>I highly doubt CB is going to investigate someone for a 150 point score change... people's scores change by that amount all the time.</p>

<p>I asked this in my thread. Why? Can you not have studied really hard?</p>

<p>What happens to a +300 increase?</p>

<p>That's an asinine reason not to retake.</p>

<p>What happens to a +300 increase?</p>

<p>Anyone know?</p>

<p>a large jump from lets say 2100 to 2300 happens all the time. nothing to freak out/worry about. however, 5 straight SAT scores around the same score will hint to colleges you are a freak about ur scores and will hurt your app.</p>

<p>=(</p>

<p>Im really worried now. I knew I should have canceled my Jan score. Now I don't know if I should hope for a low or a high score.</p>

<p>Smells like April Fools to me…
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/480299-reminder-about-april-fools-day.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/480299-reminder-about-april-fools-day.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Big problem with this theory: </p>

<p>I live right here at home with a child who had a HUGE score increase from one SAT test date to another (for middle school age Talent Search testing). He simply was sick the first day, and healthy the next. College Board encounters some very huge score increases from time to time, and usually ignores them. </p>

<p>Test center proctors and supervisors, however, make notes of unusual conditions in the testing centers and send those to College Board for further investigation. I think what I.D. card a student uses to check in and a whole lot of other details are noted in test center reports. In one famous case that was litigated for a while and widely reported in the national press, investigators hired by ETS even checked the student’s answer sheet for the student’s fingerprints–and couldn’t find any fingerprints of his on the answer sheet. </p>

<p>Bottom line: if you are honest you have nothing to worry about. Don’t tell April Fool jokes on your test answer sheet. </p>

<p>See the FAQ below for the straight word on the effect of test retakes. Follow all the links to get the full story. </p>

<p>ONE-TIME TEST-TAKING </p>

<p>Colleges have given up trying to distinguish one-time test-takers from two-time or three-time or even four-time test-takers, because that wasn’t useful information to the colleges. There are a number of reasons for that. </p>

<p>1) The colleges have utterly no way of knowing who spends all his free time practicing taking standardized tests and who takes them “cold.” </p>

<p>2) The colleges are well aware that students who have actually taken the tests sometimes cancel scores, so they have little incentive to give students bonus consideration if the students submit only one test score. </p>

<p>3) The colleges are aware that students who take the admission tests at middle-school age, who are numerous, do not have their earlier test scores submitted by default. </p>

<p>[SAT</a> Younger than 13](<a href=“http://www.collegeboard.com/student/testing/sat/reg/circum/younger.html]SAT”>http://www.collegeboard.com/student/testing/sat/reg/circum/younger.html) </p>

<p>[Hoagies</a>’ Gifted: Talent Search Programs](<a href=“http://www.hoagiesgifted.org/talent_search.htm]Hoagies”>http://www.hoagiesgifted.org/talent_search.htm) </p>

<p>[Duke</a> TIP - Interpreting SAT and ACT Scores for 7th Grade Students](<a href=“http://www.tip.duke.edu/resources/parents_students/interpreting_SAT-ACT_scores.html]Duke”>http://www.tip.duke.edu/resources/parents_students/interpreting_SAT-ACT_scores.html) </p>

<p>4) Colleges are aware that the majority of students who take the SAT at all take it more than once. </p>

<p><a href=“http://professionals.collegeboard.com/profdownload/Avg_Scores_of_Repeat_Test_Takers.pdf[/url]”>http://professionals.collegeboard.com/profdownload/Avg_Scores_of_Repeat_Test_Takers.pdf&lt;/a&gt; </p>

<p>5) Colleges are in the business of helping students learn, and they don’t mind students taking efforts to improve their scores. They know that students prepare for tests. </p>

<p>From the New York Times: "Although coaching would no doubt continue if subject tests replaced the SAT, at least students would be focused on content as much as test-taking strategies, Mr. Murray said. There would also be pressure to improve local high school curriculums so that students were prepared, he wrote.</p>

<p>“These arguments make sense to Mr. Fitzsimmons [dean of admission at Harvard], who said, ‘People are going to prepare anyway, so they might as well study chemistry or biology.’ He added that ‘the idea of putting more emphasis on the subject tests is of great interest’ to his group.” </p>

<p><a href=“http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/19/education/19sat.html?pagewanted=print[/url]”>http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/19/education/19sat.html?pagewanted=print&lt;/a&gt; </p>

<p>6) And now the College Board is back in the business of letting students choose which test scores to send into colleges, </p>

<p>[Score</a> Choice - New SAT Score-Reporting Policy](<a href=“http://professionals.collegeboard.com/testing/sat-reasoning/scores/policy]Score”>http://professionals.collegeboard.com/testing/sat-reasoning/scores/policy) </p>

<p>so now there is less reason than ever to suppose that colleges care how many times you take the test, because the colleges have no way to know how many times you took the test officially. </p>

<p>Colleges treat applicants uniformly now by considering their highest scores, period. </p>

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/349391-retake-how-many-times-take-sat-act.html#post4198038[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/349391-retake-how-many-times-take-sat-act.html#post4198038&lt;/a&gt; </p>

<p><a href=“http://www.admissions.college.harvard.edu/utilities/electronic_resources/viewbook/Rollo0809_GuideApplying.pdf[/url]”>http://www.admissions.college.harvard.edu/utilities/electronic_resources/viewbook/Rollo0809_GuideApplying.pdf&lt;/a&gt; </p>

<p>From the Harvard admission office: “If you submit more than one set of scores for any of the required tests, the Admissions Committee considers only your best scores—even if your strongest SAT Subject Tests or portions of the SAT Reasoning Test were taken on different dates.” </p>

<p>See also a Newsweek article about the renewed score choice policy adopted by College Board. </p>

<p>[Reactions</a> to College Board’s SAT Score Choice | Newsweek Education | Newsweek.com](<a href=“http://www.newsweek.com/id/172585]Reactions”>http://www.newsweek.com/id/172585) </p>

<p>Some colleges want to see all scores a student has ever obtained, period, but as one admission officer asks, if “a student submits a single best sitting of 2320,” does anyone really care “how low were her other score sets?” </p>

<p>A January 2009 email from Dartmouth’s assistant director of admissions clarifies the issue: “At Dartmouth we consider a student’s highest SAT I score in each category (or their highest composite ACT score) and their two highest SAT II Subject Test scores, regardless of how many times they have taken the tests. We never discount a student’s highest score, even if they have taken the SAT multiple times. I do hope that students will not feel the pressure to take the SAT tests four or five times (the data suggests that scores typically do not improve after the second try), but we will always consider the student’s highest scores.”</p>

<p>My younger child - a high school freshman - is insisting on taking the SAT either this May or June. I’m trying to talk her out of it, pointing out that some schools are requesting all scores be sent but she is shrugging me off. She tested well in 8th grade in a talent search - 2080 composite. She says the testing experience will only help, not hurt. Her school is strongly advising against this approach, urging kids to wait until junior year. Honestly not sure what the right approach is here. Guess I’ll just let her steer her own ship.</p>

<p>She will be fine. She may be able to use the earlier score for a summer program or something.</p>

<p>sew, what tokenadult said.</p>

<p>Say what you want, what I reported is happening to this kid right now. It’s certainly not a joke to him and his family. Rest assured that if your score varies more than their statistics say is with in bounds - they have looked at your tests. They have looked at your answers. They have looked at the answers of those test takers in your session. If they discover “anomalies” get ready for a fight. Its a fight you’re going to lose. You’ll lose regardless if the proctor says everything went well. You’ll lose regardless if the physical arrangement made “getting assistance” impossible. You’ll lose period. They have a product to defend and they will defend it.</p>

<p>So believe whatever you want.</p>

<p>osdad, IF this story is true, I’m sure there is much, much more to it than you are reporting.</p>

<p>lostone, if you have a 300-point increase, congrats! The only thing that happens is that you get to celebrate with ice cream, and have a better score!</p>

<p>LOL. Canceled for a 150 increase? I increased by 220. Nothing happened. I expect to increase by another 220 or more this time around.</p>

<p>osdad, IF this story is true, I’m sure there is much, much more to it than you are reporting.</p>

<p>lostone, if you have a 300-point increase, congrats! The only thing that happens is that you get to celebrate with ice cream, and have a better score! </p>

<p>^^^ i agree. The only reason they would investigate you is if the proctor noticed something or there was a scandal at the testing site. </p>

<p>There was a “prestigious” high school in my state that got caught cheating with their kids for the sats, like the teachers were helping the kids. The kids from then (2000) and now still haven’t got into top colleges because of the scandal and the whole school’s reputation is ruined…yet people still go there lol</p>

<p>Thanks Guys. I hope you are right. =)</p>

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<p>Yes, it would indeed be anomalous to have a match with the answers of some student who was also there, if each student was working independently. But that has nothing particular to do with </p>

<p>a) taking the SAT more than once, </p>

<p>or </p>

<p>b) having a change in scores from one time to the next.</p>

<p>Chalk another one up to the Urban Legends log.</p>