Chance hopeless me for St. Pauls, Andover, Exeter, Choate, Groton, Hotchkiss

10th grader applying for 11th
PSAT: 1400 (99th percentile lmao, but i feel like it might be kinda uncompetitive for such schools)
Planning on taking ICEE
GPA: Around 5.1 (top 10%, but school does not rank)

Course load is eh. APUSH, AP Seminar, French 2, Latin 3, Algebra 2, English 10, Chem (all honors)
Have not taken any other APs, but plan on self-studying Human Geo.
Everything before this year is an A, but I got one quarter B in both Chem and Alg this year (rip).

English teacher, math teacher, counselor rec letters will be meh (schools too big to really befriend teachers or counselors)
Decent rec from 8th grade history/AP Seminar teacher.

ECs: MUN for three years, Academic Quiz Team for two (we’ve won a bunch), Rowing since spring 2017 (big time commitment, 2+ hours all weekdays + regattas but no awards :frowning: ), Student Representative 10th grade, Latin tutor. I know, doesn’t show much passion

Awards: Nothing big. Best position paper at a small MUN conference. 1st place/ gold medal on National Latin Exam last year. Crappy bronze medal Nat French Exam. Chosen as delegate to Harvard MUN conference for my school. Semi-finalist on NSLI-Y Arabic summer program (not really an award, but wll look good if i get in)

Volunteering: Really lacking here. My rowing club is technically a 501©3, so like 100 hrs of that. Im becoming part of a reading tutor program for disadvantaged kids in my (slightly) poor neighborhood.

I haven’t written my essays or done interviews yet. I expect my essays will be good (sincerely). Interviews will be tough.

I appreciate honesty. Im not set on my schools either, so feel free to reverse chance me.

I should mention that I’d need significant financial aid to go anywhere, but these schools are mostly need-blind so I think this wont hurt my chances?

1 ) Rowing can be an EC if you volunteer for an Adaptive Rowing Program operating out of a BH/ Club. If you’re still a Novice ( which I assume you are ) and you want to row at BS, I’d suggest that you change Rowing from an “EC” to your Sport and work on a time that will get some attention.

To do this ( considering your age and experience ) - I’d enlist a coach at your BH or in-house college coach to help you shoot for something around or below 6:30- if possible . If you’re a young lady, shoot for something that hovers around 7:00. Or, you can abandon that idea and frame your rowing as something you’d like to continue ( if you’re accepted ), and leave it there.

I like expressing interest and the attention- getting 2K best, but that’s just me. Just understand that Rowing isn’t an EC unless you’re working with adaptive rowers or out there eating a sandwich. :wink: Rowing is actually serious business and very competitive at BS.

2 ) All schools in the Top 40-45 are in the position to give you or anyone else a full ride or generous aid. The assertion that the schools above are the only games in town ( for FA ) is a myth. I’d like to say it’s a big fat lie , but that would be too abrupt even if it’s true TIP: You’re actually decreasing your chances for an acceptance with substantial aid by joining the herd.

Your apply-to list needs some work so I’d recommend that you add more schools to your Herd List.

3 ) I’d investigate and apply to more boarding schools with rowing programs. If you really want to go- I’d add at least six more schools ( to what you already have ) and ask for fee waivers, if you need them. If you can’t visit a school for whatever reason, you can request an alum interview done locally ( if available ), or arrange for a Skype interview with Admissions.

4 ) I assume you know that Hotchkiss doesn’t have a Rowing program. I’m sure you’re fine with it because Hotchkiss is an amazing school… even though they totally blew it and greatly diminished their stature and desirability by not offering the sport. Sailing is fun though… I guess.

Just checking… . and having a little fun.

5 ) You’re NOT " hopeless ". You just need to be a little smarter and more strategic than everyone else - especially when you’re applying for V Form -which tends to be a Hail Mary app for any student. Question: Would you consider repeating IV Form? If you are open to repeating, you will need to convey that important tidbit to your AO(s) NOW during interviews, or in an email, or on your completed app(s). Just throwing it out there because sometimes that’s actually a great option for some applicants and many people don’t think about it . FWIW- Repeating IV Form can be a great cushion for any academic adjustments that you’ll face as opposed to having absolutely no cushion whatsoever during V Form. In other words: Tell us now if you have a death wish for your junior year and I’ll just layoff the whole repeating thing…

I kid. Kind of…

All you need to say ( to the AO ) is that you’d be willing to let Admissions make the ultimate grade determination based on their review of your completed app- and that you’d be open to both IV and V Form. PLEASE NOTE: This request does not diminish or compromise your app ( or chances ) in any way. It’s a common practice and depending on FIT and your overall app, it can yield good results because you’re showing them that you’re a realist who has put some thought into this and your completely fine with putting your ball in their court.

Plus- YOU will likely end up where you need to be. Did someone say, bonus?

Now - before you decide- ask yourself the right questions and properly assess your strengths and weaknesses. Can you jump into a very intense BS environment and hit the ground running? Can you maintain or significantly improve your GPA and navigate living independently out of the gate? Know this: Academically- V Form is the most brutal BS year known to mankind . TBH- it’s an unforgiving beast. Have you factored everything into your decision? Think about it, and if it makes sense for your future wellbeing and happiness - apply for both . If it doesn’t make sense to repeat - apply only for V! But at least sit down with a parent and hash it out now because after you submit the app, it will be too late. You can’t go back post M10 with a FA- WL decision and say- Hey! I’d like to be considered for IV Form, too! Unfortunately, it doesn’t work that way… they need to have that information now.

6 ) Remember: Every school in the Top 40-45 ( including some amazing single sex boarding schools ) can give you a world class education and experience. It would behoove you to branch out and add some “Gems” to your Herd List. I think you’ll be pleasantly surprised by what you might find in the Top 40-45… maybe even blown away.

Best of all… you still have time.

Go jump on an erg and get your time down. Good luck !! :slight_smile:

Thanks for such a comprehensive reply. I misclassified rowing: it is my sport, but is a very very small private club and not officially school related. It is probably the best thing i have going for me in regard to applications, but i hesitate to base my entire apps around it. Im still very much a novice and have a kind of embarrassing 2k. I will attempt to get this up before apps are due, but sub 6:30 is certainly unlikely. I see the benefits in applying for IV Form, but i still intend to apply for V. My present school is the best in the state and (i think) i would be prepared for V Form. More importantly, my parents would not agree to paying for an extra year lol. I will look for other schools. My present list is mostly based on recommendations/prestige, so I will certainly look beyond these few.

Dear@freeiphone4…if you have not yet done so, check out the rowing stats online for different schools and their rowing programs. There are rowing “camps” or training sessions in the summer. Check out the rowing threads and also get info from some of the parents & students who row for different schools.

St. Andrew’s School in Delaware has a rowing program and is a wonderful school…

I think the problem has to do with time and expense- that’s why I suggested the free ( Rocky ) approach in order to get a good time on the books before he submits his apps. Rowing camps, CC rowing threads, BS rowing stats or summer training sessions will definitely help once he gets in, but none of those things will help him now.

Raw or emerging talent plus highlighting basic knowledge and regatta experience is better than nothing- so the OP shouldn’t be shy when engaging a BS coach via email or what he says on the app or during an interview . Especially since I don’t see other sports that compliment or enhance any year round training. The schools currently on his shortlist actively recruit club rowers who have been rowing since middle school. That’s why they’re fast and that’s how they win, but they’re also looking for kids like OP to round out their programs- which is good news- right?.

My boys ( 4G BS alums ) applied for SS IV from JBS with times on or close to 6:30 because they had been racing since 7th grade in singles, club quads, BS 4’s and BS/ club 8’s. They weren’t alone or special. They’re sub 6:00 now because they got faster as they got older. Rowers tend to really explode in college- so you have some time grow and evolve as a rower , OP- if you want it and work on it!. Don’t get discouraged- you just started a little late!

Ironically, K2 is currently putting together a boat with a great alum from SAS ( K2 didn’t attend SAS, but they have been friends thru rowing forever ). It’s mostly to train in ( when they’re not working ) and maybe they’ll race in Canada this summer if things come together . They have a young man who graduated from Berkshire in the boat, too. The third guy is from Salisbury. At different stages ( over many years ) they have raced together or against each other in BS boats, college boats or in U17-U19 summer club boats. Everyone in this new summer boat will tell you that you don’t have to go to a certain set of schools in order to have a great BS experience- on or off the water. Probably with every fiber of their being…

I think that SAS is a great addition to the list. I would also suggest looking at schools like Berkshire, Salisbury ( all boys ), Kent, Gunnery, Pomfret and maybe Blair. L’Ville and Taft are great, too but they can be a tougher slog than some of the schools already on the list. The academic piece and college placement is solid and every campus is absolutely beautiful. All have good rowing programs and offer generous aid - if that’s what you want to do , OP! :slight_smile:

PS- I would definitely look at SMS , too. https://www.stmarksschool.org

Good luck!

I’d say your stats are very good. Unlike others, I think the FA request might be a show stopper. Have seen that most of the incoming kids in upper grades are athletes. ( Though sample size is small). Every parent I have met of a 10th plus grader has been an athlete. Hmm. Not all schools offer generous aid and if they do many use it to get two things in one ( URM and geographic diversity, URM and sports, geo and some academic cachet). They usually give aid in 9th grade and go from there. That shouldn’t stop you, however from applying. Some schools do have more aid than others. The idea that all applicants who qualify will get aid is a myth. We know many families whose kids were accepted at multiple schools and aid varied a lot. Or some who were waited listed who needed aid.
My suggestion would be to expand your list ( lower level school have less competition and you are still going to get a great education). You should also write great essays and have a successful interview. If you are geographically diverse ( from outside NE) that will help you a lot. I’d play up the Latin. It’s unusual and you did well. Groton and a few others have strong classics departments. They love strong Latin scholars.

Look at Tabor, too. :slight_smile:

I went to a pretty big public middle school (330+ kids per grade) before going to Choate so I definitely understand the recommendation aspect so I would look at possibly submitting recs from other “mentors” such as your rowing coach (especially since it’s such a big commitment) or MUN club advisors. I know my school has a very strong MUN club so your participation will definitely add to your application (if you want to know more, feel free to reach out). Also, look to emphasize a hook in your application (anything from rowing to public speaking ability to leadership skills) that will help you to stand out amongst other applicants. For interview tips, I would just say do your due diligence. Make sure you come up with a couple of thoughtful questions to ask the interviewer and research some interesting programs or aspects of the school that you would contribute to/participate in, overall coming across as somebody that would be a great fit and knows exactly why they would like to enroll at that respective school.