Chance me Oxford (Korean International)

Hello! I am currently a senior who will apply to Oxford this October since it’s my dream school, has courses relevant for my career, and etc. I just have a great affection for this place.
Here are my APs, SAT 1, and SAT subject test scores. I won’t show my GPA or extracurricular because they are irrelevant for British universities. FYI, I will be applying for a spot in the PPE course.

APs
Calculus BC(5)
Macroeconomics(5)
Microeconomics(5)
2 Physics B tests (5)
US Government and Politics (5)
Comparative Government and Politics (5)
Statistics (5)
Psychology (5)
European History (5)

SAT 1: 2330
SAT 2: Math 2: 800 Physics: 800
I may be taking another subject test this fall but I’m not sure.

Chance me! I will also be applying to LSE, UCL, and Imperial College London. If you have time, chance me on these universities too.

You have the numbers, so the next hurdle is the TSA. Have you practiced that, and if so, how does it seem to you? Also, what have you done beyond the classroom (reading, activities) that relate to PPE?

GPA and extracurriculars (depends on what extracurricular) absolutely do matter to uk universities. There may not be a requirement for a minimum GPA or extracurriculars you have to have done, but they will look at your grades and your extracurriculars to see if you are a well-rounded person

For LSE:

LSE is the most prestigious and selective school in the UK and the second best school for social sciences in the world and out-ranks all the other schools you have listed. I highly recommend viewing this school as your first choice.

Be aware that this is an extremely academically oriented school. They do not conduct interviews and the only way they get to know you personally is from a 4,000 character personal statement. This means you academic qualifications are key. They do not look at SAT scores or any other standardized test. LSE looks for extra-cirriculars that relate to your intended degree. For example, I also want to attend LSE and obtain a degree in government and economics and have been working to that since freshman year. So one of the clubs I joined was the Model UN team and have done only economic based committees and have won awards. This shows my interest and experience in both world government and world economic matters. I have also done peer leadership at my school, but that will mean little to LSE other than my leadership skills because it has nothing to do with government or economics.

LSE’s main entry requirement for students to even be considered for lower level degree programs must have taken 4 A level ap courses and have gotten a 5 on all the tests. For a most programs and all math based programs you need to have taken at least 5 A level ap courses and have gotten a 5 on all the tests. If you do not meet these requirements, DO NOT EVEN BOTHER APPLYING. You have taken a lot of math-based ap tests so I assume you want to obtain a degree in a math based field (economics, finance, accounting etc) which require 5 a level ap courses. (to see which ap courses are considered A level and which are B level view this link https://www.ucas.com/ucas/undergraduate/getting-started/entry-requirements/tariff/tariff-tables/966). From the ap courses I see above you only have 4 A level ap courses. Ap calculus BC, AP European History, Macro and Micro economics (2 B levels count as one A level), and US and Comparative Government and Politics (2 B levels counted as one A level). Psychology and Statistics are considered as not suitable for entry at LSE and Physics will only count as an A level if you have taken both the B and C tests. That being said if you apply to LSE for a program that requires 5 A level AP courses they will not even consider you. I strongly suggest you take at least another ap this year. They will allow you to apply even if you have not taken all your tests but you will be required to submit your grades you currently have in the course and their admissions tutor will predict your ap test grade. Depending on whether or not they predict you will get a five that will count as 1 A level ap course. Because you have to submit grades in an ap course for prediction of the test outcome do not self-study it on your own as there will be no way to predict your test grade. Taking it through school is best, but if you simply don’t have time in your schedule take it through an accredited online cite such as John Hopkins Center for Talented Youth.

I strongly suggest taking an ap english course as applicants who don’t have english as their first language will be required to take a test to see if their english skills are proficient. Not only will taking an ap english course wave the requirement of the test, but it will also set you apart from other applicants in your geographical area. AP language and Composition is especially helpful for writing.

Be aware that most applicants applying based on ap tests have exceeded the minimum requirement. When I apply to LSE I plan to offer 9 A level AP courses with another one in progress. That being said I strongly recommend you take as many A level AP courses that LSE considers as suitable for entry as possible. While taking more AP history courses will look the best to LSE, taking any AP A Level that LSE looks for will improve your application

To view which A Level AP courses are considered as suitable for entry at LSE view this link. While this is the USA requirements page the AP requirements are the same for all countries. 2 AP courses listed together are 2 B levels that when taken together, will count as one A level.
http://www.lse.ac.uk/study/informationForInternationalStudents/countryRegion/northAmerica/USA/entryRequirements.aspx

Not only have most people exceeded the minimum requirements but most applicants have also. So writing a stellar personal statement is key. In this you should show your enthusiasm for the degree you are applying for. You should tell what books you have read, internships you have done, lectures you’ve attended, and what extracurriculars you’ve done to show your initiative in that area. Because academic qualifications are so high in the applicants at LSE, writing a superb personal statement is what gets people accepted there.

For Oxford

A little less complicated for Oxford. You currently exceed the SAT and AP minimum requirements for Oxford. Just make sure that when writing the essays and attending the interviews you show your enthusiasm for the degree and what you have done outside of academics.

For UCL

You currently exceed the SAT requirements. You meet the requirements for the AP scores if the AP tests were taken in the final two years of your high school. In addition you must have completed one year of study at a university with a minimum GPA of 3.3 out of 4. An international foundations program including a UCL undergraduate preparatory certificate can wave this requirement. Once again if you have completed these qualifications you will have exceeded the academic requirements. All you have to do is stand out in Essays and in Interviews.

For Imperial College

They looks for just 3 AP courses with a five in all of them, which you exceed. Just make sure, again, you stand out in essay’s and interviews.

You should consider King’s College and Cambridge as they are both very prestigious and selective and are very similar to the other colleges you mentioned.

@Cardinals2000 , I can see that you are trying to be helpful, and you have included some good information, but some of it is just plain wrong.

@FLtoPton:

I assume the first part is a typo, because it is all about standardized tests. LSE does not “look for” ECs related to your subject- they just are not interested in the others- but UK students typically have very few ECs.

Is not accurate. Some UK unis will ask for a GPA, but most will not- & will not care. Ditto ECs: for most, they really are not interested in how well rounded you are.

This is absolutely wrong. If you apply with tests still to take, you do NOT submit your grades for the course so far, and the unis do NOT predict your grades: your GC at your school makes the predictions.

Again, not true. APs not relevant to your course do not help you once you get beyond the requirements.

Two problems here: 1) the TSA (Thinking Skills Assessment exam) is essential to getting invited to interview; 2) the interview is a cross between an oral exam and a tutorial- not a place where you show enthusiasm and ECs.

Ummm…NO. First, you can only apply to Oxford OR Cambridge- not both. Second, Cambridge is ranked substantially higher than KCL. And for the record, both Oxford and Cambridge outrank LSE (not by much, but they do).

@collegemom3717. Thank you, some of what I said was incorrect, but, though i also understand that you are just trying to help, some of what you said is wrong.

@FLtoPton:

  1. "I assume the first part is a typo, because it is all about standardized tests"

Yes, for most other UK universities SAT’s and other standardized tests are key, but not for LSE.
The following is a quote from the LSE website (see link below)

“Please also note that SATs are not sufficient for entry”
http://www.lse.ac.uk/study/informationForInternationalStudents/countryRegion/northAmerica/USA/entryRequirements.aspx

Since there is no other mention of any other standardized test, I assume they do not look at any.

  1. "LSE does not "look for" ECs related to your subject- they just are not interested in the others- but UK students typically have very few ECs."

The following is a quote from the LSE website (see link below)

"It is essential that you have a well-prepared statement, so that it grabs the attention of our Admissions Tutors. Our Admissions Tutors are looking for well-rounded individuals, with the ability and motivation to complete their chosen course, and derive benefit from it.

The personal statement is your opportunity to tell the institutions why you are applying to university and why you have chosen your course/s, and to provide details of your skills, extra curricular activities and interests. This information will help the Admissions Tutors to decide who to offer a place to when they are looking at all of the application forms."
http://www.lse.ac.uk/study/undergraduate/howToApply/makingAnApplication/personalStatement/generalInformation.aspx

So yes extracurriculars do matter and it is kind of obvious that extracurriculars that relate to your intended degree will help you stand out.

  1. "Is not accurate. Some UK unis will ask for a GPA, but most will not- & will not care. Ditto ECs: for most, they really are not interested in how well rounded you are."

Yes, my mistake GPA is not looked for at Oxford or Imperial, but it is at UCL. Yes my apologies for saying well rounded. They do however, like for you to show enthusiasm for what you are studying. One key way to do that is to show your initiative by doing EC’s that correlate to your intended degree outside of academics.

  1. "This is absolutely wrong. If you apply with tests still to take, you do NOT submit your grades for the course so far, and the unis do NOT predict your grades: your GC at your school makes the predictions."

Yes my mistake. But regardless you cannot self-study ap courses on your own as there will be no one to predict your test grades.

  1. "Again, not true. APs not relevant to your course do not help you once you get beyond the requirements."

No, exceeding the minimum ap requirements will definitely help your chances. Below is a quote from LSE (link below)

“Please note that, due to the intense competition for places, meeting or exceeding the minimum entry requirements does not guarantee admission”
http://www.lse.ac.uk/study/informationForInternationalStudents/countryRegion/northAmerica/USA/entryRequirements.aspx

So exceeding the minimum ap requirements does help.

  1. I am going to assume she is right as I am not sure.

7." Ummm…NO. First, you can only apply to Oxford OR Cambridge- not both. Second, Cambridge is ranked substantially higher than KCL. And for the record, both Oxford and Cambridge outrank LSE (not by much, but they do)."

Ok you need to chill. All I meant was that he or she should consider Cambridge. I never said anything about Cambridge or KCL being ranked higher than the other.

I misspoke before when I said that LSE was the second best social science school in the world. They are for economics. However, LSE is ranked higher than Oxford and Cambridge for social sciences schools (see link below).

http://www.shanghairanking.com/FieldSOC2012.html

I stand over my notes, @Cardinal2000. Your interpretations differ from mine, but I have direct experience of students being accepted to LSE and afaik know you do not.

=> APs are standardized tests.

=> Your GC can indeed “predict” your AP score for APs you self study- I have seen it done many times, including for my D. It is not a big deal.

=> Of course, ECs that are relevant to your major are useful- I would never argue otherwise. But ‘well-rounded’ is not quite the same for the UK as it is for the U.S.

I am leaving the rest of it- it’s not worth arguing over interpretations, and the factual ones are sorted enough at the OP can pursue clarifications per her/his own interest.

Btw, be careful of putting too much weight on rankings (any rankings), and be sure to check the metrics used to generate rankings. Shanghai Ranking puts University of Minnesota - Twin Cities (among more than a dozen others) ahead of LSE for economics :wink:

http://www.shanghairanking.com/SubjectEcoBus2014.html

Ok this is confusing to me as an American. So bottom line: it appears that grades on A levels or BC AP tests are most important. Some schools look at SAT while others don’t. Some schools consider ECs relevant to your degree but others don’t.

Does being a full pay international make any difference? If so which courses are easiest to gain admission?

All internationals are full pay in the UK (there are some bursaries, but they are rare and limited).

Assume that you need SAT + APs / subject tests.

No UK school looks at ECs the way US schools do, and afaik, only St Andrews considers ECs that are not related to your subject. (Well, if you are an Olympic level rower, Oxbridge would notice that!)

UK admissions are (aside from Oxford, Cambridge & LSE) mercifully simple: you get the required test scores in the required subjects, you write a thoughtful, mature essay about why you are suited to your subject, get a good rec & you are done. In most cases, if you do that you will get the offer.

Thank you for such a long response!! The counseling I received however said that GPAs at schools are no use but there are some schools that requires ECs. As far as I know, our school transcripts dont go to British colleges