Chance Me Please (Sophomore in High School from NY)

Hello, I am currently a sophomore in high school in NY and was curious generally about what my chances are for very selective schools like NYU with the plan I currently have and what I have already done.

I am looking to major in either forensics or computer science.

GPA: 3.7 unweighted

Projected class rank: Top 20% (class size is 292 and I am confident I can make it within the top 40)

PSAT: 1200, 640 on Reading and 540 on Math (I didn’t really prepare for it since my school made all underclassmen take it, and I didn’t think it mattered until junior year, I am currently working to improve however with SAT prep sites like Khan Academy has)

Freshman Year:
English 9 Honors
Global 1 Honors
Algebra 2
Physics Honors
Advanced Spanish 2
Concert Choir
PE(required)

All A-'s at least/90+ apart from Physics which was a B+(89 final grade)

Sophomore Year:
English 10 Honors
AP World History
WCC Precalculus
Chemistry Honors
Advanced Spanish 3
Concert Choir
PE(required)
Health(required)
Pre-AP Java

All A-'s at least currently aside from AP World(I’m not the best with history) which is a B(85 for both quarters so far)

Junior Year(plan):
AP Lang
AP US History
WCC Business Calculus
AP Biology
Advanced Spanish 4
Concert Choir
PE(required)
AP Computer Science A
Criminal Justice

Senior Year(plan):
AP Lit
SUPA Public Affairs/Economics H (they alternate every other day)
AP Enviro and/or SUPA Chem
Concert Choir
PE(required)
AP Stats
AP Comp Science Principles
Forensics

Extracurriculars(This is where I’m severely lacking I feel):
Science Honors Society (beginning sophomore year)
Interact Club - been serving secretary as of this year and will most likely be president junior year, the club does a variety of community service projects throughout the year including a prom for senior citizens every spring
Gay-Straight Alliance - Secretary since this year
Men’s Choir
NYSSMA Area-All State Choir 2018 - was chosen to be part of a select ensemble after I scored well at NYSSMA vocal solo festival freshman year (am looking to repeat for this year and next year)

Other Info:
Hispanic
Male
First generation student
High Honor Roll every quarter since 6th grade

Any recommendations or critiques are very much welcome right now!

It’s obviously too early to chance without an SAT/ACT score but one comment. Take AP physics senior year if you are still leaning towards CS. I would also suggest AP calculus.

NYU is not known to be very generous with financial aid so if you need aid, run the Net Price Calculator on their site and make sure it’s affordable. Be mindful of building a college list that is affordable.

Study hard to get your standardized test scores as high as possible. You may also need SAT II subject tests for some selective schools.

I probably will not be able to take AP Calc, however, I’ll consider taking AP Physics albeit honors Physics wasn’t my best so I’m not too sure yet. Would you say overall I’m on the right track though? I really think I should extracurriculars up but I don’t want to overbook myself I guess.

NYU seems to attract a lot of “dream school” attention from students in your area. The fact that you are starting your process early and looking ahead - which is commendable - gives you time to look past the hype. Yes, it’s a good school; but for your areas of interest, there are dozens if not hundreds of colleges and universities that can offer you as good an education, and among those schools, NYU is one of the least affordable and least generous with financial aid. NYU is notorious for graduating students in crushing debt.
https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2015/09/poor-students-saddled-with-college-debt/405313/
There’s even a Facebook page called NYU Debt Stories.

By all means, keep NYU on your list if it’s a sentimental favorite, but understand that it’s not only going to be a reach admissions-wise, but that it’s also likely to be unaffordable if you do get in. Please do not listen to people who say that you’re going to make so much money with a CS degree that you can afford to be in six-figuIf re debt. (Which, btw, your parents would have to cosign.)

There are options in the SUNY system that are even better-regarded in CS than NYU. Stony Brook, Buffalo, in particular, are tops in this field. If you would enjoy a smaller liberal arts college setting and don’t feel the need to have engineering options, Geneseo has a CS major also. Oswego has a co-op computer science program with a project-based learning emphasis.

Outside of the NY publics, there are many colleges and universities that meet full need for low-income students. Being first-generation and URM will help you admissions-wise, but you’re also doing the right thing to work at raising your scores as much as possible. Since music is important to you, U of Rochester should be on your radar - phenomenal music opportunities, top-notch STEM, great curriculum flexibility, and (unlike NYU) full-need-met aid. Case Western Reserve in Ohio is another with similar virtues, and an even more urban campus setting than Rochester, if being right in the city is part of NYU’s appeal for you.

Look at schools that have specific recruiting for URM students, and be ready when the applications come out next year to apply to their overnight programs specifically for URM applicants. By way of example, CWRU that I already mentioned has one of these: https://go.case.edu/register/diversityovernight There are many others at schools with great CS. Once you have more information about your stats, it will be easier to focus in on the best targets in terms of schools that are competitive enough to have generous aid, but still realistic for your stats and course rigor. You’re doing well and should have good options!

Thank you! I do recognize that NYU is a bit of a reach, it is on the “dream school” end of my college list for a reason (more for the hype of it all) and I do have many more colleges in mind, however, I didn’t have many SUNYs so I’ll look into the ones you said for sure! All of that is really useful information I greatly appreciate it.

@aquapt

Thank you very much for the https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2015/09/poor-students-saddled-with-college-debt/405313/ website. Ran comparisons regarding low income student results with many of WPI’s strongest competitors (RPI,Stevens and U Mass at Amherst) as well as MIT and NYU. The best endowed, MIT, won hands down in these low income student metrics. For MIT one just needs to figure out how to gain admission.

NYU, RPI, Stevens and UMASS at Amherst all won in every FA metric used here EXCEPT the loan default rate. WPI “won” this last posted metric in every case. Why are the WPI students better off at paying back their college loan debt?

What is the answer ? Is it graduate employment earnings? With the exception of UMASS at Amherst and NYU, these are similar universities with similar majors in regions that both (NY and MA) pay well.

Over 40 years ago I attended a New England college/universityl admissions conference and WPI had the lowest default rate in NE. When asked how, they had no answer.

@retiredfarmer - According to College Factual and College Navigator, the schools you mention had the following student loan default rates in 2018:

College Factual:

NYU: 7.2%
UMass (Amherst): 3.5%
RPI: 1.1%
WPI: 1.1%
Stevens: 1.1%

College Navigator:

NYU: 8.1%
Umass (Amherst) 4.0%
WPI: 1.9%
Stevens: 1.2%
RPI: 1.0%

Average:

NYU: 7.70%
UMass (Amherst): 3.75%
WPI: 1.50%
Stevens: 1.15%
RPI: 1.05%

Depending upon the source the methods used to survey this data may yield different results.

Take AP Computer Science Principles before AP Computer Science A (swap your junior and senior years for this class). Principles is an introductory class that covers several programming languages. APCSA is primarily Java programming.

@retiredfarmer - In the USDOE College Scorecard data quoted in the Atlantic article, the following default rates are posted for the schools in this list for 2016 (which is the most recent year given):

UMass (Amherst): 3.5%
NYU: 2.0%
WPI: 1.1%
Stevens 1.1%
RPI: 1.1%
MIT: 0.9%

Those numbers are fairly consistent with the more recent College Factual and College Navigator statistics, though it would seem NYU’s default rate skyrocketed (as the Atlantic article points out) in just two years. In any event, you cannot conclude from this data that WPI beats out the other schools with respect to default rate. The default rates of WPI, Stevens, and RPI are almost identical (they probably vary in the second or third decimal place, but that is statistically insignificant).

There is little statistical difference between 0.9% (MIT) and 1.1% (Stevens, WPI, and RPI). (What? There are actually MIT grads who cannot find jobs and repay their student loans? (Gasp!) The hell you say!).

By way of note, the overall student loan default rate in New Jersey (2018, source College Factual)) was 9.07%, in NY 8.03%, and in Massachusetts 6.12%.

Given your interests (CS but not engineering, possibly forensics which can perhaps be generalized to the life sciences and psych interdisciplinary space, and non-major music opportunities), I would also suggest you consider Vassar as a potential reach school. Their admitted student stats are actually higher than NYU’s, but because they attract fewer male applicants than female ones, their acceptance rate for men is 35% (vs. 19% for women). Between the gender advantage and the URM+1stGen advantage, I think this could be a realistic reach for you if you keep your GPA up and prep for the SAT. (The rigor of your secondary school record is the only parameter that they rank “very important,” and you certainly have good course rigor planned. GPA and test scores are ranked “important” as are many other factors including essays, recommendations, EC’s, talents/abilities, and personal qualities. Here’s the CollegeData page that provides all this info - you can search any college that interests you on this site: https://www.collegedata.com/en/college-profile/175/?tab=profile-admission-tab ) They meet full documented financial need, and host a diversity recruitment event (apply next spring/summer, for fall of your senior year): https://admissions.vassar.edu/vassarview/
Lots of performing arts opportunities, and a solid CS department: https://computerscience.vassar.edu/
Coursework in Criminology (through the sociology department) and Forensic Chemistry
Also, Vassar has the oldest freestanding Cognitive Science department in the nation. This is a major you might want to look at, as it encompasses both the study of psychology and cognition, and computing/AI. (Also, in varying proportions, bio/chem/neuroscience, linguistics, and philosophy. Different colleges/programs have different emphases within CogSci, and often there are multiple tracks to choose from.) It could lay a strong foundation for a career and/or graduate work that would combine computation and forensics-related areas of expertise. https://catalog.vassar.edu/preview_program.php?catoid=25&poid=9646&returnto=4842 (Other schools I mentioned in my previous post, like CWRU and URochester, also have CogSci majors with a strong CompSci component. CWRU also specifically emphasizes the inclusion of the arts in their CogSci program: https://cognitivescience.case.edu/undergraduate/ )

Other LAC’s in this same category would include Skidmore and Connecticut College, but Vassar has the strongest STEM of the group, and the others don’t have as high a male admit rate even though they’re less competitive overall.

Also - and this is something to look at for any/every full-need-met school that may emerge as a top choice - applying Early Decision can boost your chances even more. The overall ED admit rate at Vassar is 42%, and it can reasonably be inferred that the male ED acceptance rate is even higher. You’ll want to consider a binding early application only if a school is your first choice and if you have run their Net Price Calculator and verified that their projected financial aid makes the school affordable for you. Here is Vassar’s https://studentfinancialservices.vassar.edu/calculator/ by way of example, but every school provides a similar utility to estimate your costs. (The advantage conferred by Early Decision isn’t always as big as it looks, because those stats typically include recruited athletes and legacy applicants who must apply early to avail themselves of preferential admissions; but when there’s a substantial differential it often means that ED applicants do have an edge. Applying ED often isn’t wise for moderate-to-lower-income students who will have some share of cost and need to compare financial aid and merit offers; but if your family’s income is low enough that you qualify for a full ride or close to it, then playing the ED card can be a smart strategy. You’ll have to assess whether this is an approach you’ll want to take or not.)

(I’ve been assuming that by “forensics” you mean forensic science… but maybe you mean the communications/debate type forensics? Well, either way, I still think most of the above applies.)

That’s a lot of info for you to absorb at this stage, but hopefully it helps to steer you toward some good resources, particularly the Common Data Set available at the Collegedata site, and the Net Price Calculator which will help you to discern which schools will be most affordable. I don’t mean to jump to conclusions about Vassar per se, but it makes a good case study. Hope that helps!

That actually helps a lot thank you so much! A lot of information for sure but I’m definitely glad that I have that knowledge now, I wasn’t looking at Vassar before but now looking it’s probably going to be one up on my list for sure. I’m thinking about taking some of the SAT Subject Tests(that didn’t come into my head until someone else in this thread told me), which do you think would be best to take for me? I just know I am going to take the Math 2 test for sure.