Chance of Admission?

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<p>There's a difference between crushing his dreams and being realistic. If hes going in as a recruited athlete I'm sure he would have included that in his "chances for getting in" monologue considering that would be the most important factor in his admission. In reality, with the rest of his background, i really don't think his SATs are quite where they need to be - like i said, this is all just my opinion. Lastly, you're helping my argument by saying that USNA is even harder to get into than USMA - is it that big of a deal i wrote west point instead of annapolis? I stick with my belief that he is not a strong enough candidate as of now - but I wish him the best of luck.</p>

<p>edit: I also think that there are too many things that he "will do." I have come to realize that talk is cheap... people always say "oh, i'll bring up my SAT score blah blah blah" Whether they do or not is beside the point: results are what count.</p>

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<p>WP2010-
I belive ttu1987 was referring to West Point when s/he said THAT school is harder to get in to. As a percent of applicants admitted, West Point is harder to get in to.</p>

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<p>hmm tyleroar, i think you're right (Princeton Review claimed West Point was the hardest school to get into a few years back). However, times have changed: over 14,000 people applied to Annapolis, 1,472 were offered admission. 11,879 people applied to West Point, 1,224 were offered admission. Therefore, I am correct in saying that Annapolis is statistically harder to get into.</p>

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<p>I think quarterstop needs to understand the level of competition faced due to his state of residency. Maryland is one of the more competitive states. Quarterstop's stats might allow him/her to be "qualified" but given the level of competition, I doubt "competitive". If he lived in a less competitive environment, then the listed stats would probably be sufficient, based on candidates (who posted here) from less competitive states who received appointments with similar qualifications. The size of his graduating class also means less competition to make athletic teams. Unfortunately, it diminishes those athletic accomplishments when compared with larger schools where an athlete competes against hundreds of classmates for a position on a team.</p>

<p>OK. Now What? Quarterstop needs to become a standout.<br>
Are you going to Summer Seminar?
Get yourself to an SAT prep class and raise those scores.
Are you going to Boys' State?
You need more Community Service.
You need higher grades, but don't sacrifice high quality coursework to achieve it.
You list your gpa as 4.0 unweighted. How many AP classes have you taken? How many does your school offer? There is a big disconnect between your class rank and your reported SAT rank. (To be honest I have never heard of a school ranking the SAT scores, is the ranking anecdotal?)
Get yourself a good backup plan in case things don't work out.</p>

<p>(How does a school rank students with equal gpa? If quarterstop has a 4.0 and only ranks 21/139, how is that ranking accomplished? I live in a state that uses percentages, and it is pretty easy to differentiate, even if it comes down to a few hundreths of a point. Thanks)
CM</p>

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<p>Look, you guys can fling around your SAT numbers and extracurricular activity talk all you want, but the KEY factor in gaining admission is this: What State and Congressional District do you live in? If it is super-competitive, your numbers may not be high enough. If it isn't, you'll be fine. It is basically impossible to predict how competitive a particular applicant will be within his particular pool in a particular year, because NOBODY ON HERE HAS ANY IDEA WHAT KIND OF APPLICANTS ARE GETTING APPOINTMENTS WITHIN PARTICULAR GEOGRAPHIC AREAS. </p>

<p>To the original poster--work hard to improve yourself between now and when you mail off your application, REGARDLESS of what anyone on this silly board tells you. Nobody here sits on the admissions committee, and nobody has seen enough applications to give you anything but a WAG about what your chances of getting in might be.</p>

<p>Good Luck,</p>

<p>DeepThroat</p>

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<p>We at the Office of Admissions frequently check this site. It is a great source of information about experiences on the other side of the process that aren't necessarily relayed to us through official channels for fear of repurcussion. We encourage complete candor here and usually reply only when gross misinformation appears rampant. Good luck to all.</p>

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<p>As usual, DT is a voice of reason on this site. I join in wholeheartedly in saying that any response you get to the "what are my chances" question is worth exactly what you paid for it.</p>

<p>Assuming for a moment that USNA Admissions is somebody actually in the admissions offfice, you should note that he/she did not comment on your stats. And even if they do "monitor" this forum, given the general anonimity of most screen names, who thinks they have the time to try and match comments up to actual applications.</p>

<p>Ask for the stats of others if you want to compare, but listening to WP2010 [or anybody else for that matter] opine that "his SAT scores are not high enough" is approximately the same as listening to the wind.</p>

<p>Bottom line, if you have to ask strangers whether or not you are competitive, you probably have some improving to do. [Sort of like asking whether or not you can afford a yacht. If you have to ask, the answer is no.]</p>

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<p>Bill's comments seem to miss the point of the earlier post. First, our use of this site is for our own information and to dispel harmful myths only. Specific questions to Admissions (e.g. your chances/status) should be addressed to <a href="mailto:webmail@usna.edu">webmail@usna.edu</a> or your respective BGOs and Regional Directors. Finally, honest discussion is encouraged in this forum, and no one should feel inhibited by any perceived Naval Academy oversight.</p>

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<p>
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they haven't read since April 15th (of this year).

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Tyleroar - nice job on the analysis of the stats. But remember - it's possible to lurk anonymously without signing in. </p>

<p><em>waves to USNA Admissions</em></p>

<p>FWIW, I think WP2010's analysis is correct on average. And DT's analysis is correct in detail. Winning the district depends on who else is in it...but in Maryland, it's likely to be stiff competition.</p>

<p>Good luck.</p>

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<p>I find it unlikely that the Admissions Office would monitor this website in any sort of an official capacity. At any rate, I would be disheartened to learn that anyone who will be evaluating my application doesn't know the difference between "i.e." and "e.g." Also, note that the guidance at <a href="http://www.usna.edu/Admissions/webmail.htm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.usna.edu/Admissions/webmail.htm&lt;/a> regarding when you should e-mail the Admissions folks is quite different than what was posted by "USNA Admissions." The poster notes two broad purposes that he/she has in monitoring this board. But, if you look at some of the older posts he's made, they aren't addressing those two issues all (the "Boxer" post and the "experiences" post). Finally, I am conviced by the poster's the solicitation of "chances" e-mails from would-be applicants that he is not who he claims to be. I suspect that USNA could hire two guys to do nothing all day but answer these e-mails--if USNA actually wanted to receive them in the first place.</p>

<p>DeepThroat</p>

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<p>It's easy to challenge bona fides on an internet board - I've claimed I'm a mom, you've claimed you're an USNA graduate. It probably does not move us along further. The basic info provided by "USNA Admissions" appears to be on target. Many admissions offices track CC fora - it should not be surprising that USNA's does. A malicious poster would have had far more fun with that handle.</p>

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<p>"The basic info provided by "USNA Admissions" appears to be on target."</p>

<p>No it doesn't. That's why I'm skeptical. The poster is soliciting questions from applicants regarding their "chances" of gaining admission. What is the potential applicant going to get in return? An e-mail response that says 78%? </p>

<p>DeepThroat</p>

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<p>This is a little of the current discussion but i was wondering about the competativness of regions....ik Cali and Maryland are competative, and I've heard the Northeast is, but I'm from New Hampshire. Is it New England that is competative, or is every state in New England competative on its own? Any clarification would be great. Thanks!</p>

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<p>APan5 - </p>

<p>The best source would be your congressperson's office. They can tell you how many interviews they granted last year for the nomination. A number less than 5 means not very competitive; greater than 50 means you've got a problem. Your BGO should be able to tell you what kind of stats it took to win the district last year.</p>

<p>But my guess? New Hampshire is probably not so competitive.</p>

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<p>I apologize for my original post. DeepThroat is right, what would I have to gain? Do you guys serve on the admissions board? No. I was simply curious about other people's opinions. I am constantly fed "yes" by friends and teachers and just wanted some objective opinions.</p>

<p>To Bill0510: I know I'm not the perfect candidate and I know that I have to improve in some areas, THAT'S WHY I'M HERE. I would not be here if I thought I was a shoe-in at Annapolis. I came here to help myself identify my weaknesses and improve my chances.</p>

<p>To WP2010: Do I, a high school junior in the same situation as yourself, comment on other people's chances and the admissions process, yet having never completely gone through the process myself? No. And I don't think you should either.
Also, you said in this thread:
"I also think that there are too many things that he "will do." I have come to realize that talk is cheap... people always say "oh, i'll bring up my SAT score blah blah blah" Whether they do or not is beside the point: results are what count."
yet, in another, you stated:
"SAT 1800 (equivilent to a 1200, will definitely raise)...All i will say is that I plan to score higher on the SAT and top percentile on the physical aptitude exam. I also plan to turn in all paperwork to USMA as fast as possible."</p>

<p>Hmm...hypocrite?</p>

<p>Before I leave, I would like to say something about myself:
I have not had some of the opportunities other kids have had at larger schools. I can't take certain classes and I have not been exposed to some things they have. This could be a factor in my school's low SAT scores. I was homeschooled as a freshman in HS so I could play hockey competitively. I lived away from home for a school year so I could play on a better team.On these teams, I traveled throughout the US competing against other elite players. Since I did not attend in 9th grade, I had to make up for it by taking some classes most students took as a freshman in 10th and 11th grade. Instead of being able to take 4 AP classes this year, I could only take one because of a foreign language(most people took these 9th and 10th) and an Advanced PE class for football(every player has to take it). Back to tests, I have the highest PSAT score in my class, highest New SAT, and second highest Old SAT. I had never played football before in my life until my junior year. I went from 125lbs to about 150lbs in a few months preparing and started at QB and CB for a team that was state finalist two years in a row before my junior year. Currently, I am starting at shortstop on my varsity team and also play American Legion Baseball during the summer.</p>

<p>I would love to get into the United States Naval Academy. It would be a dream come true for me. But, regardless of what happens, I will serve my country in the military. I look forward to being an officer leading our nation's best into battle. If I don't do it through the Naval Academy, so be it. I WILL be an officer in the United States military, and I will be a damn good one.</p>

<p>Thanks for listening to me vent.</p>

<p>God Bless America.</p>

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<p>If you came here to "identify [your] weaknesses and improve [your] chances," you should consider the advice people are giving you because we are merely trying to help. You posted asking what your chances were; i responded. You didn't like what you heard and got all defensive. It definitely sounds like you are on the right track and it is clear you are passionate about the military. Let me change my tone from critical to encouraging: it's great that you are trying to make yourself a better candidate, I think that's what all of us juniors are trying to do. Take to heart the advice you are given on this forum - many people know what they are talking about! (I am just passing on to you information that I have gained through this whole process). It sounds like you are only improving and your special circumstance in high school may factor into your admission - best of luck</p>

<p>P.S. - Cheap talk about the future is a lesson I have learned... hence the statement. Sorry if I offended you</p>

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<p>Hey quarterstop,</p>

<p>I am a highschool Junior as well, however I feel pretty qualified to respond to certain posts because I have gained a vast amount of knowledge about chances and the application process through this board. You definately need to raise your SATs and class rank, and although you have a different lifestyle than most through hockey, this is not an excuse for a sub-par class rank and SAT scores. The best thing going for you is your athletics and your passion for the military and be sure to convey this through your essay to your MOC and USNA. Work hard your senior year and send your paperwork back as soon as possible, this is an advantage. Best of luck!</p>

<p>MB</p>

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<p>Channel your passion towards making yourself the best candidate you can. Your response, for example, seems to be a good start for an essay.</p>

<p>I offer no comment on whether you should improve or whether you are competitive. For the reasons given herein, you may or may not be competitive.
The best that you can do is to be the best that you can be; beyond that there isn't much you can do. I don't imagine, for example, that you woke up and tried to score lower on the SAT than you were capable of doing on that particular day.</p>

<p>The most important thing to remember is that most of what anybody writes on this site [with the possible exception of USNA Admissions -- who isn't talking -- and despite the assertions of kids YOUR SAME AGE that "feel pretty qualified" to comment] is based on second-hand interpretations of something they understood to be the case. </p>

<p>You CAN use this forum to gain SOME insight into the application process. Just remember, it is a LONG process no matter how qualified you are. </p>

<p>Keep looking on here, just remember to read responses with a grain of salt. [And probably a bit of skeptical pepper to be safe.] For example, if I remember correctly, approximately 50% of class of 2008 had SATs in the 600 -699 range on each subject. So where does everybody get off by telling you to raise your SAT?</p>

<p>Good luck.</p>

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About 50% of each incoming class is either a recruited athleted, minority, or a prior enlisted person.
If you're not one of those three type of people, you'll probably need higher SAT scores.</p>

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<p>I was being generous. If one includes the approximately 20% that had scores of less than 1200, i.e. nearly 70% of the 2008 class had SAT of less than 1400, there is room for other members of the 1300 club. Even after consideration of your offered statistic that assumes ALL athletes/minority/prior-recruited scored 1300 or less.</p>

<p>You may want to consider that it IS possible [despite what many seem to think] for an athletes/minority/prior-recruited to score above the mean, so that means even MORE room for the 1300 club.</p>

<p>In any event, I suspect that admissions would tell you that there is more to admissions than just the SAT score.</p>

<p>As always, figures lie and liars figure.</p>