Chances

<p>Yo, i know if i have a chance, its slim but id just like to know if i have a chance at all. I understand most students applying to Caltech are the best and brightest in science displayed through tests and competitions;unfortunately, i did not get involved/know about these in the boondocks of Ohio. Anyways i just would like to know if i should apply at all or save my money.Thanks in advance!</p>

<p>Chemical Engineering Major
1st generation South east asian american
GPA: 4.0
W GPA:4.30
ACT: 31 (M32 E30 S29 R31)
SAT II: 800 US History 790 Chemistry</p>

<p>APs:
AP Chemistry
AP Environmental Science
AP US History
AP Physics
AP English
AP Biology
AP Calculus AB</p>

<p>Extra Curriculars:</p>

<p>Internship at Grameen Bank in Bangladesh- they won the noble prize back in 2006 and it was definetely a memoriable experience</p>

<p>Spent two weeks observing a factory in Bangladesh-basically analyzed the dynamics of a major sweat shop</p>

<p>-VP of NHS 2 years
-Tresurer of Key Club 4 years
-100s of hours of volunteering
-Basketball for 4 years
-Academic Team 4 years captain senior year
-over 400 hours volunteering at a summer camp for mentally disabled kids</p>

<p>Jobs:
-Little Caesars Pizza 4 months
-Major (wont say the name ) concert hall</p>

<p>don’t you need to take a mathii subject test</p>

<p>oops havent taken that yet but will do soon</p>

<p>I do not normally comment on chances as I have no idea as to what an adcomm will decide. And I have no idea of what your profile is as it shows up on the application e.g. recommendations, essays etc. </p>

<p>However, if you look at your ACT scores, they are in the bottom 25% for CalTech students. That in itself is not an instant disqualification, but in order to overcome that you need some strong compensating factors. If you think you have something else that makes you stand out, it may be worth a shot but you would need to honestly answer that question yourself.</p>

<p>With all due respect, i don’t think Caltech is the place for you. I can’t really detect the passion for science based on your profile. Your ECs don’t really show an obvious inclination towards science and research. And you should really get a 36 for your math component if you want to stand a chance at all since Caltech has really high ACT/SAT standards as what mazewanderer had mentioned above. Good luck for college applications!</p>

<p>I disagree with the above posts. I know nothing about the ACT, but if they’re right and yours are low scores, it might be in your best interests to retake it. That can be studied for, and Caltech or not, it can’t hurt. You also do need to take the math subject test.</p>

<p>Caltech is a reach no matter what, and you never know if you don’t try. Your stats don’t tell us much about you–who knows, your essays could have a magical spark that perfectly matches Caltech’s personality? You should apply. :)</p>

<p>I agree with lidusha’s assessment. </p>

<p>In any case, the application fee is peanuts compared to having more choice of where to spend the next four (five… six?) years. (:</p>

<p>I came from an int’l school, and/so similarly had very few math/science extracurriculars.</p>

<p>As I had mentioned in my earlier posting, I do not normally chance people or provide feedback on chances as I have no idea as to what the actual profile looks like. However I do suggest that students look at what the college needs and how they fit in. That does not mean you should not apply to stretch schools. In fact you should, but you should choose your stretch schools where you have the best fit between what the school looks for and what you are interested in. CalTech may be a super stretch for one student, but Harvard or Stanford or Princeton may not be as much a stretch for that same student. </p>

<p>There is also a cost to applying beyond the application fees. There is the time and effort to get recommendations, write essays, pay for test scores etc. Given that there is limited time, where best should the OP focus on: CalTech or another stretch school that he or she may be interested in?</p>

<p>Let us begin by what CalTech wants (this is from their own website
[Caltech</a> Undergraduate Admissions: The Admissions Process: How We Make Decisions](<a href=“http://www.admissions.caltech.edu/applying/decisions]Caltech”>http://www.admissions.caltech.edu/applying/decisions)</p>

<p>*
Academics
We first look for academic ability by evaluating test scores, grades, and recommendations. Caltech students are gifted in math and science and also are good test takers. If you have low math and science test scores, we will look for evidence of abilities in other parts of your application. Even if you have done well on your standardized tests, we will confirm that ability with your grades and teacher recommendations. Caltech students are not only good at math and science; they love those subjects, too. We will look for your love of learning in your curriculum and teacher recommendations. If you have taken courses or done research outside of school, be sure to include those transcripts and, if possible, recommendations from those experiences.*</p>

<p>Given below is the 2009 standard test score data for CalTech</p>

<p><a href=“College Navigator - National Center for Education Statistics”>College Navigator - California Institute of Technology;

<p>Test Scores: Fall 2009 (enrolled first-time students)
Students submitting scores Number Percent
SAT 245 97%
ACT 89 35%
Test Scores 25th Percentile* 75th Percentile**
NOTES:

  • 25% of students scored at or below
    ** 25% of students scored above</p>

<pre><code>* Data apply to first-time degree/certificate-seeking students.

  • Institutions are asked to report test scores only if they are required for admission.
    </code></pre>

<p>SAT Critical Reading 690 770
SAT Math 770 800
SAT Writing 680 770
ACT Composite 33 35
ACT English 33 35
ACT Math 34 36</p>

<p>The OP is 2 points below the cut off for the 25%tile of ACT composite and also two points below for the math portion. Now if the OP took the ACT again and got a 36, then the dynamics change. In absence of that, what is that the OP can show as passion for science and math. </p>

<p>I am not going to answer that question for the OP, but the OP should ask himself and herself “Can I show enough of passion for Science and Math that will compensate for the low ACT score”?. If the OP can show that then he or she should apply. If they cannot answer with a strong yes, then the next question is “Where is my time best spent, taking a chance on CalTech or some other school”. The answer very well may be CalTech, but the only person who can answer that is the OP. All I am doing is to point the OP to some facts and the OP can make the decision.</p>

<p>Kalwadner gave his opinion honesty as the OP asked for an honest opinion. I do understand that the others would suggest that OP should apply if he or she is very interested in CalTech. However point to be noted is that CalTech has an incoming class of only 225, hence there are not too many seats to compete for.</p>

<p>Agree. One must remember that Caltech is very different from other schools like the ivys that emphasize on a more liberal arts-based education. Although what lidusha says that one might have that magical spark in the essay and perhaps convince the committee that he might be a good fit for the school, ultimately saying something in the essay is easy, but actually showing it is another thing altogether. One can easily state how much passion he has about science in his essay, but I think what the committee wants to see are real-life examples. For example, one could be spending his summer working in the lab, participating in Intel STS or ISEF, or even publishing several papers. Interning at a bank isn’t the best example to showcase one’s interest in science when one can work in a lab instead. Furthermore, the reason why Caltech likes students that achieve high scores in math and science is because of the challenging courseload. One can’t expect to breeze through Caltech if he can’t even score an 800 on the SAT math portion. I’m not stopping 121314 from applying, by all means he can gladly apply if he wants to, but this is just my honest opinion.</p>