<p>I heard that Princeton has a history of being very traditional/male dominated/chauvanistic. I don't mean that there are much more men on campus than women, but I'm asking about the overall attitude toward women. Do people at Princeton seem progressive in terms of gender roles, or is it still very male dominated?</p>
<p>You'd be hard pressed to say that contemporary Princeton is chauvinist in terms of gender roles:</p>
<p>thanks 10char</p>
<p>the president of princeton is a woman. the dean of admission is a woman. the dean of the woodrow wilson school, who has brought to campus madeleine albright, hillary clinton, and condoleezza rice - all in the last year - is a woman. in addition, the female presidents of brown, harvey mudd, and penn were all hired either directly or indirectly out of princeton's administrative ranks, where they earned their stripes. and under princeton's current female president, the university has taken leadership positions on family-friendly tenure and the issue of female faculty in the sciences. so the tone of the place, from the administration on down, is certainly progressive. a former partisan of harvard, and a very conservative man, who once prowled these boards has even taken to calling princeton as a "feminocracy."</p>
<p>Good response, fscottie!</p>
<p>I heard that Princeton has a history of being very progessive/female dominated/chauvanistic. I don't mean that there are much more women on campus than men, but I'm asking about the overall attitude toward men. Do people at Princeton seem traditional in terms of gender roles, or is it still very female dominated?</p>
<p>(just kidding)</p>
<p>Scottie, do you mean Byerly?</p>
<p>Speaking of Byerly, whatever happened to him? He hasn't posted for a few months. Did he get banned?</p>
<p>I think he came to the conclusion that Princeton indeed is the best school in the country.</p>
<p>I think women should be banned from Princeton because as everyone knows they are inferior to men...</p>
<p>lol hihihihi:)</p>
<p>^^lol. The title of the thread looked funny to me too but I couldn't put my finger on why...</p>
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<p>LOL at that remembrance of a feisty forum participant.</p>
<p>Princeton is extremely Progressive! The Old Boy Network is pretty much gone for good. President Tilghman and the majority of Deans and Administration who happen to be female and very active feminists have worked very hard to be progressive. Housing, Eating Clubs and Admissions happily move forward instead of backward towards this goal. If you are looking for an Old Boy traditional male network look elsewhere. I think everyone knows this because its fairly obvious.</p>
<p>"We were named among the top 20 universities in the country for LGBT student life," Tilghman said in her speech, "which was more important to me than the U.S. News mention of Princeton as the top university in the nation."</p>
<p>"the All-Ivy Drag Ball, featured hundreds of people dressed in drag and competing for the title of Princeton's "All-Ivy Drag Queen" and "All-Ivy Drag King," and included President Tilghman as a judge" </p>
<p>^^^That is a little bit overdone...</p>
<p>I promise. Princeton is still more traditional/conservative than Yale, Harvard, or Columbia. Which isn't great from my old hippie point of view but because the academics are so good and the environment so beautiful I turn a slightly blind eye...</p>
<p>And yes, they are making an effort to nudge the culture over to the edgy side. Over time I hope they make gradual progress while keeping what make Princeton Princeton.</p>
<p>President Tilghman has been courageous in creating change. Princeton is Princeton and now it is an even better place to be for women and LGBT students and faculty. The other Ivy presidents and deans have come directly from the academic ranks at Princeton please look around. President Tilghman deserves full credit for speaking about coeducation in this way by installing women in their rightful place. Indeed Princeton is an excellent place for women and enlightened, sensitive and caring men.</p>
<p>"Now it will probably not have escaped your notice that I chose only women to illustrate those qualities of leadership. Of course, I could just as easily have substituted George Balanchine for Martha Graham, or Mario Cuomo for Barbara Jordan, or C</p>
<p>Hedoya, no one wishes more than I to see Princeton move towards edgy. But fabulous female president aside, Princeton just isn't the sort of feminocracy you are presenting. It's not as PC as Harvard or Yale. It just isn't. I am here on the this forum to make sure that kids who will be happy at Princeton end up there, so let's not misrepresent. We can applaud changes, we just can't exagerate them.</p>
<p>My characterization is one of pride not of exaggeration. I am simply quoting President Tilghman. Please check all of my quotes. I have been careful to provide links as well so you can read them in context. Perhaps you are unaware of the program with Smith or of President Tilghman's speeches and initiatives. </p>
<p>Engineering school forges bond with Smith</p>
<p>The University announced the creation of a student engineering exchange program with all-female Smith College on Wednesday.</p>
<pre><code>The program, slated to start in 2006, will afford both male and female students the opportunity to study at the other college for a semester
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<p>No, I think Alumother is right. Things are changing at Princeton, but Princeton is still Princeton. Pres. Tilghman's genius is that she's able to navigate an elegant course between change and tradition that both progressives and conservatives can support. Princeton will never be Harvard or Yale in terms of public proclamations of progressive virtue. But if I were a asst. prof. or a grad student, especially a woman in the sciences, especially if I wanted to think about children I'd sure rather be at Princeton than either of the others.</p>
<p>Pres. Tilghman is able to sell the alumni from the 1950s and 1960s on why initiatives like the partnership with Smith are a good thing for the university, and then the power of the alumni body mobilizes behind the engineers from Smith. Princeton is still strong and still Princeton, but just a little bit different. She's the right leader in the right place at the right time, and she has the sense to listen to and work with people with whom she doesn't always see eye-to-eye.</p>
<p>please don't call in chauvinism; call it male chauvinism.</p>
<p>thank you.</p>
<p>-grammar police</p>