Cleveland-Forbes #1 most miserable city

<p>I was in the kitchen cooking dinner when I heard my S laughing and then he called me in to see the TV. There was a news story that said that Forbes did a list of the most miserable cities in the U.S. and Cleveland came out #1 ahead of Detroit and Flint, MI. </p>

<p>I have a feeling Case will now be a hard sell for my son even though he had been seriously considering it. </p>

<p>I think the news story said Cleveland was #1 because of weather, unemployment and sports teams, but I missed part of it. </p>

<p>What do people in Cleveland think? What can I tell my S that might help him look at Case again without that bias?</p>

<p>Interesting. Luckily Case itself and University Circle seems OK. </p>

<p>Our three tourguides (all female) seemed to like Cleveland fine and talked about hopping on the bus to got shopping Target. But yes, that weather factor would be a biggie for CO kids… 300 day of sunshine per year does spoil you.</p>

<p>Really?</p>

<p>PLEASE DO NOT TAKE THIS BULL***** SERIOUSLY!!!</p>

<p>Forbes routinely prints these “scare rankings” all the time. They are virtually meaningless, and should be ignored. The reason why they are not is because they directly attack a city’s ego, and thus the people and heritage. </p>

<p>A lot of reason why they do this is for the company’s own conservative agenda. Being a particularly biased news magazine as part of News Corp’s “Crap Clan” (their portfolio also contains FOX news and many talk radio shows, among other assets), one of their main goals is to push a conservative agenda. For proof, try reading the editorials in their magazine sometime, compare their information to what’s offered by leading Republicans like Sarah Palin, Mitch McConnel, and John Boehner (it will look strikingly similar), and read carefully into their articles with proper “fact-checking”. IMO, a lot of reason why they pick on rust-belt cities is because they realize the “undesirable city” nerve is an easy one to strike, thus causing dissatisfaction with the home city among business leaders, who relocate their corporations, and take jobs and citizens with them. Then, that means more of these cities’ Democratic-leaning population bases are drained away, and the “swing states” these cities are located in become less “swing-ish”. That means rural Ohio Conservative influences will take over and cheaply give the Republicans a solid base that would be hard to unseat.</p>

<p>They choose to do these polls because they can get away with it as media in each city frequently reveals the negative side of city and local issues far more often than positive stories. Thus, a strong negative image has already been created with these cities’ economic troubles, and Forbes is trying to further beat the wounds by harassing these innocent locales. Instead of picking on liberal paradises like San Fran or Seattle, they can easily get away with picking on cities that lean strong liberal but yet do not have the common perception of being a “hot” location.</p>

<p>Notice that traditionally Conservative or southern cities did not make the list. For instance, on a true list with more accurate measurements like crime statistics, Memphis, LA, Atlanta, St. Louis, Modesto, and Las Vegas would be high on the list, among with many other cities that do not offer much in the way of identity, cultural attractions, or uniqueness (Phoenix, for example). Also, rust-belt cities are very self-contained, with many having 50+ 'burbs and up to 85% of the metropolitan population living outside city limits. Many sunbelt cities do not share this trait, and have instead annexed most of their suburban areas, skewing their statistics. If I took the whole metropolitan area into account for Cleveland, Detroit, and other cities on the list, you would see they are miles ahead of places like Phoenix or LA.</p>

<p>So yeah, if you choose to believe this garbage and not give the city a fair chance by immersing yourself in it, you can do that. Just keep in mind that it is your own loss if you choose to do so ;)</p>

<p>I don’t really care why or how Forbes did it, but the basis of their ratings did seem pretty arbitrary. How exactly do you quantify miserableness?</p>

<p>Even if you do take those ratings super-seriously, keep in mind they don’t take our demographic (i.e. college kids) into account. Does my happiness depend on the number of foreclosures in the entire city of Cleveland? Not really. Does an economic depression in the city of Cleveland mean Case will have one? Again, not really. Going to school here is not the same as living here, settling down and sending your kids to school here. Which one do you think a college kid would find more miserable? Case, with Coventry, Little Italy, somewhat easy access to downtown, etc. or a school in the middle of nowhere.</p>

<p>My husband said the same thing Casegirl. My son said he still wants to visit and see for himself. We just have to figure out when. I wish we could visit during the restaurant week you mentioned.</p>

<p>RESTAURANTS - We had a great tip about La Trattoria, within a mile of campus. </p>

<p>It is excellent Italian food, not cheap but not expensive (all dishes I think were under $20). If you go, try the eggplant parmesan. My husband says it is the best he’s ever had. I had a wonderful seafood risotto special. (My son had an individual pizza and was disappointed, but hey it’s not supposed to be like Pizza Hut.) </p>

<p>There are great desserts too. Parking seemed scarce in the Little Italy neighborhood, but we drove around back for the valet parking. </p>

<p>Centenialmom - Good luck planning a visit. In case you have not seen it, here’s a link to info “Admitted Student Open House” weekends. Hmmm… I can’t get to it now but you can try a google search.</p>

<p>Since you brought up Little Italy, here are my favorite tips…</p>

<p>First of all, I just want to say, I was able to go to Italy last year and the food I had was comparable to what I’ve had in Little Italy.</p>

<p>La Trattoria is the best place in Little Italy (if you don’t consider price), the gnocci and fettucine alfredo are my favorite (I usually get the gnocchi thought because the portions are huge–enough for 1 1/2 or 2 meals–and gnocchi reheats better).</p>

<p>The best pizza in Little Italy is probably Valentino’s, at least so they say. I’m ashamed to say I’m not a huge fan of legitimate Italian pizza, I prefer the americanized version (which is why I think your son wasn’t a big fan, colorado_mom).</p>

<p>Best value is far and away Mama Santa’s. And they have the best lasanga I’ve ever had at any price. If you go, you must it.</p>

<p>Bakeries:
Presti’s has a nicer feel and is more conducive to actually sitting and eating in than Corbo’s (and fairly similar prices), but Corbo’s fills their cannoli when you order them and has much cheaper loaves of bread.</p>

<p>casegirl, i happen to LOVE authentic Italian pizza!
I have already been accepted to Case (early action) and will be visiting at the end of march, any more food/entertainment recommendations from anyone?</p>

<p>Whenever I go to Cleveland, I notice that the sky is completely gray, but whatever I guess I would get used to it. That Little Italy area is super legit though so that totally makes up for it.</p>

<p>Having grown up in Cleveland and attended Case, I would not describe the city as miserable. Clevelanders are diehard football/ baseball fans even when our teams struggle. We like to grouse but roll with the punches. All of our stadiums are relatively new/ nice. Right now, we have a terrific basketball team with LeBron James delivering spectacular performances. We have great weather IMO. An autumn with amazing color and mild days because of lake effect moderation. A moderate winter with snow to please winter sports enthusiasts. A friend from San Diego told me that springtime in Cleveland “charmed the hell out of [him]” because suddenly the little birdies were singing and everything popped to life whereas in San Diego the seasons didn’t change much. Summer is as nice as it gets in most places- It’s temperate with many beaches/ parks. The downtown restaurants, shopping, and theaters are great. It is a very drivable city but the public transportation goes anywhere you’d want to go. The library system, orchestra and art museum are among the nation’s best. For health care, the Cleveland Clinic is world class. Stats on Cleveland proper might be misleading because the more middle class/ affluent suburbs may not be considered although they are only a few miles out of the downtown area. The suburbs are very liveable/ very close in to the city proper. Housing prices in the suburbs have been relatively stable and the cost of living is very reasonable. As for Case, the students tend to be serious but hardly miserable IMO. The new buildings/facilities/dorms at CWRU are great. The business building designed by Frank Gehry comes to mind. There are also many lovely old brick buildings on North campus. University Hospitals, the art museum, garden/botanical center, the natural history museum, historical society, orchestra, music and art schools, shops and restaurants are right there.</p>

<p>spence113 - "…any more food/entertainment recommendations from anyone? " </p>

<p>I’ve attempted to add a link for a Case blog on campus<em>eateries
[Admissions Blog](<a href=“http://blog.case.edu/admission/2009/04/24/on”>http://blog.case.edu/admission/2009/04/24/on&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;campus&lt;em&gt;eateries&lt;/em&gt;where&lt;em&gt;case&lt;/em&gt;students_go)</p>