College Admission Hoax at TJ (Thomas Jefferson High School)

Honestly, unless you or a sibling, child, etc, has attended TJ, you really have no idea what its like. It is an awesome school full of dedicated students. There may be some “bad seeds”, but that doesn’t mean the school is bad. We have far less issues than most of the FCPS high schools. There’s less cheating, almost no drugs (it would be folly to say there weren’t some), used to be no theft (til the renovation started… boo, administration thinks its outsiders), etc. We have a lot more freedom than in other schools. And while other schools in FCPS have had problems in recent years with suicides (such as Woodson), I only know of one TJ alum whose death was declared a suicide (he was at Yale at the time) and that hit the TJ community pretty hard since he was a super popular kid at TJ. It was a wake up call for a lot of people (including me, i was in a club with him my freshman year) and really changed the direction of the school for the better.

We have other things to combat the stress too. Along with the excellent counseling services, before AP exams, we have stress less, laugh more week. My junior year, they started depression screenings for juniors because that is the hardest year at TJ and where students crack, if they crack. There’s been a huge effort at the school to remove the stigma surrounding mental illness and depression. This is really important because while these issues only affect a very small percentage of the students, catching it early allows them to seek help and bounce back.

Some may think testing for these problems is a bad thing, but it’s really not. As an example, when I was in middle school, my school was known for gang and drug issues (I went for the GT program). The administration from our first day said “hey, there’s issues with bullying, violence, and drugs, and they won’t be tolerated”. There were actually very few incidents at the school and those that happened were dealt with strictly. On the other hand, my brother’s middle school had the attitude of “what violence? we don’t have a problem with bullying, drugs, etc”. Yeah, kids at my brother’s school were robbed, beaten, bullied, etc. I felt much safer at my middle school. Denying that a problem exists, no matter how small, just makes the situation worse. So by recognizing the issues, school like TJ are making the school a safer place for everyone.

Overall, TJ students are happy and outgoing students. We don’t rack up achievements just to have achievements and trophies. We do what we’re interested in and love excelling and doing our best. Most TJ kids go on to live normal and successful lives. A lot of students go to school in-state and a lot of students don’t even apply to the very top schools.

I think what some individuals are saying is really an overgeneralization of the school. You really have to be there to understand it.

@YogSothoth, I did not go to TJ. I have a godson who does. I have not heard him complaining about the lying, cheating or about “the atmosphere.” He seems to be a happy, well adjusted kid who loves science and for whom TJ is a perfect fit, despite the fact that he also competes nationally in an unusual sport. In other words - gasp! - the kid actually has a life, too!

What you’re telling me about lying and cheating can be said about many schools - academically challenging or not. Unless you have stats to show me that prove TJ to be somehow exceptional, I will take your view of it as one based on anecdotal evidence from an unreliable sample.

Is it true that for most TJ students, William & Mary won’t do?

@mokusatsu No, that’s not true. William & Mary has a 93% acceptance rate from TJ (IIRC, give or take 3-4%). My year 170 students were accepted to W&M and 52 attended. Most TJ students are happy to attend W&M or UVA if they don’t get into their reaches (lol I got waitlisted at W&M; didn’t apply to UVA, knew i wouldn’t get in). W&M is also known to give TJ students scholarships and a lot are accepted into the Monroe Scholars program.

@Mokusatsu,
Does the Wolverine still run up to Annandale? :wink:

@Guineagirl,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pj9Rs56u8YY&list=RDXN30zTpozRw&index=5

I think mokusatsu was referencing the Steely Dan song “My Old School” again. Look up the lyrics.

@vamominvabeach Oh, lol! Thanks! I’m not familiar with that song. Odd, since I have quite a bit of Steely Dan in my music collection.

EDIT: that’s odd, i even own it… oops. Usually, I get song references.

Again with the lyrics…Does oleander really bloom at Annandale-on-Hudson, NY? It does on the Outer Banks but not here in Central Virginia. I always thought they meant Annandale, VA since they were mentioning William & Mary.

Wikipedia to the rescue:

“My Old School” is a single drawn from Steely Dan’s 1973 album Countdown to Ecstasy. It reached number 63 in the Billboard charts.[1]

In its March 24, 2006 edition, Entertainment Weekly details a return trip to Bard College in Annandale-on-Hudson, New York by Donald Fagen, in which he describes a raid by sheriff’s deputies in May 1969.[2] Fagen, his girlfriend Dorothy White, Steely Dan bandmate Walter Becker, and some 50 other students were arrested. Charges were dropped, but the harassment was the origin of the grudge alluded to in “My Old School”. Fagen was reportedly so upset with the school being complicit with the arrests that he refused to attend graduation. The same article speculates that a Bard professor’s wife, Rikki Ducornet, was the inspiration for “Rikki Don’t Lose That Number”.

Because of the reference to The College of William & Mary in the lyrics, “My Old School” has long been a favorite of W&M students and alumni, although the song is actually about Bard College."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Old_School

Well played, mokatsu!

For all Dan fans trying to decipher the lyrics: http://www.steelydandictionary.com/

The oleander, IMHO, is in the source location of the narrator. The Wolverine went to Annandale from where the oleander was blooming.

Also, Walter Becker went to Stuy. Seven degrees of Steeley Dan!

My kids went to one of the public magnet programs across the river in Maryland. We didn’t make them apply, or attend, but we did encourage them, because we thought it would be good for them. And it was–they both liked it very much. This was an IB program, not a STEM program, so perhaps there are some issues at TJ and other STEM-focused programs that are different–but while this program could be intense and require a lot of work (lots of writing), I don’t think either kid would characterize it as a “pressure cooker” or “cutthroat.” There were some very competitive kids, and some who were thought to be cheaters, and there was anxiety at college admission time, but overall I thought the atmosphere was positive, and there were some terrific teachers.

Our county also has a magnet elementary school program (4th and 5th grade). Our son was not encouraged to apply–indeed, we hardly heard anything about it from the elementary school–but later the local elementary school got a new principal, and our daughter (and several others) were encouraged to attend. She went and really loved it. She came back to the local school for middle school (the magnet was too far away, we thought), and was very eager to go to a high school magnet, because she liked the elementary magnet much better than the local middle school. (We have the somewhat cynical theory that the old principal didn’t want kids to leave for the magnet because of the effect that it might have on the local elementary school’s average test scores.)

We knew lots of kids who could have gone to one of the magnets who chose not to apply, or not to attend if they got in. While I think there are some parents who make their kids go, and others who refuse to let their kids go, I think in many cases it’s a family decision with guidance from the parents and the decision ultimately based on the kid’s preferences.

Really excellent kids will really love these magnet and STEM programs or a top 100/200/300 USNWR high school and would likely hate being in a school without a significant AP/GT program and some like-minded academically oriented students.

Some parents will do anything to get their kids who are marginal in and keep them in, good for them. How are they really different than the endless postings about chances at Ivy Leagues (I have 1800 SATs but am really great, can I get in ?).

I find it odd that a student who now attends UChicago is now so negative about his top rated HS experience. Shame his parents didn’t move to a 3rd rate high school district, and there are way more of those than top rated schools.

The hyper competitive, anti-social, stressed out, lying, cheating, students are easier to avoid than the guy stealing your lunch money and the remedial students in all your classes who are preventing your teacher from teaching to your level.

80-90% of the kids at TJ probably belong there and are perfectly nice dedicated students.

And learning to deal with what will eventually be the pre-meds at your hypercompetitve U might be a good experience too.

With gunner students applying to 10-20 schools, this is wildly misleading. Accepted =! matriculated.

I didn’t go to TJ, but a similar magnet back in the day, and pretty much all the kids were there because they wanted to be there (and the ones who didn’t want to be there went back to their home schools after a year).

More than a few kids who went there stated that HS was an absolute lifeline and were miserable at their old HS’s (where they were beat-up/taunted/scorned for being a nerdy geek who was actually interested in academic and intellectual pursuits). At that HS they thrived, got out of their shells, felt more free to be themselves, and had more friends and a social life than they did at their old HS.

Now maybe things have changed, but I know that when I went, many/most of the people who went thought that attending there was the best decision they ever made.

@uchi90 I posted the actual matriculation stats also (post #21). Some of the schools don’t have that bad of a matriculation rate from TJ. In my experience, most students at TJ apply to less than 10 schools. The norm that we are told to aim for is 6-8 schools (I applied to 4). Very few students apply to more than 12-15 schools. We have excellent guidance counselors and college app advising (Starting junior year), so most students have a realistic list of schools that fit them.

Just wondering where Sara actually was admitted? Anybody know?

@ewho in post 53

Huh!!! Not only is her name not on the list YOU posted, the websites I found googling said she achieved an “honorable mention.” http://tjpartnershipfund.org/tjpartnershipfund/docs/newsletter_november_2012.pdf According to the website, “honorable mention” usually means you are in the top 35 (Out of roughly 250) but not the top 10. http://mathprize.atfoundation.org/prizes

So, she most definitely was NOT 4th in the nation!

@jonri - if you’re referring to ewho’s post #53, Sara’s name is listed in 23rd place on the posted list:

She had the 4th highest score for 10th graders on that test, which is what I think he meant by “ranked 4th in the nation in her class.”

Impressive list! I wonder where the 9th grader who came in 4th will go next year?

^^
4th in her class
4th among 10th graders