College Consultants - Value or Venom?

<p>To certain extent, it is how good the HS is in providing guidance to the student will determine if you need a consultant. Our HS had nil. A friend’s son’s HS had way more support and she kept asking me, “Doesn’t your HS do …?” </p>

<p>BTW, in terms of scholarships, I called the collegeboard about the CSS profile which one school indicated my son would need to have filled out to be considered for all merit scholarships. </p>

<p>The collegeboard said that if CSS is required that means that the scholarships have a need component to them, not just merit alone. That unless you qualify for FA, there is no point to filling out CSS.</p>

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<p>Maybe to be a realistic for the real population of students out there. A student with no demonstrated interest in writing, no special scores or grades in English, and little life experience is not going to be credible if they come up with brilliant yet poignant essay about their late hamster.</p>

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<p>Ana, you need to look more closely at the CN page. The Financial aid link starts out by listing the percentage of “Any student financial aid”, as you note.</p>

<p>But then aid is broken down into subcategories. The numbers I gave were for ONLY “Institutional grants and scholarships”, which means money awarded by Harvard/Yale/Princeton/Stanford itself. There are separate lines giving the percentage of students awarded federal, state, or other grants. </p>

<p>All four schools (like many other highly selective schools) offer no merit aid. That policy is made clear on their websites, and is common knowledge here on CC. Therefore, the aid is all need-based. </p>

<p>The super-generous FA policies started at Harvard in the fall of 2009, so I’d expect that the total percentage of students receiving aid at H et al would indeed be lower than the freshman class. Not because HYPS weren’t extending FA to sophomores on up, but because upper middle class students admitted in earlier years wouldn’t have gotten those generous offers, and would’ve turned H et al down, filling more seats with full-pay students. It’ll be interesting to see how the College Navigator numbers change (if at all) once they’re updated past 2009-10. </p>

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<p>Possible, sure. Likely? Don’t think so, unless there’s some citeable stats and studies with well-laid out methodology etc etc. A professional organization trying to drum up business and a writer gathering eyeballs with an over-the-top writing style doesn’t qualify.</p>

<p>“All of my kids, including my sixth grader, could write better essays than the ones in that book. What gives?”</p>

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<li><p>The standards at most schools, including private schools, are pretty low. We operate in a rarefied space here on CC, even compared to most families aiming for a selective school.</p></li>
<li><p>It’s just that hard to write well in this genre.</p></li>
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<p>Momzie, that’s why we still need brick & mortar bookstores, so we can browse through before we buy!</p>

<p>That’s interesting. I remember noticing that all the posts I had read by students in CC seemed to have more complex sentence structures, larger vocabulary, etc. than the essays cited in the book. </p>

<p>There was one where the girl whose essay it was noted that she had rewritten it multiple times over a year with a teacher in her private school – and I remember wondering why with all the helping the essay wasn’t better. </p>

<p>Some of the advice seemed weird as well – like the advice to never write about religion. </p>

<p>There was also a piece of advice cited multiple times that noted that the adcomms wanted to know about YOU, and not about how you felt about social issues, current events, etc. I found that peculiar too since I feel like you might learn more about a bright kid in particular if he told you how he felt about Darfur then if he wrote yet another essay about his dead grandfather. There was an essay cited where the girl found it important to tell the adcomm that she didn’t like ice cream. That just seemed stupid. Personally, I’d rather read about how she was the only Democrat in her Republican youth group at church, or something else that might give a bit more insight into her character.</p>

<p>Again, the CN says aid. There is nowhere the word “need-based.” There are local grants that are merit based, and even need has many levels, eg for TX state aid, the TEG requirement is AIG $95k. Institutional aid can mean mean anything. H has bequests that have geographical restrictions and define the student as a “well deserving student,” so one can put their own interpretation what this means. Personally, real need means less than $60k income, and those students according to H are less than 20%.</p>

<p>What I do not understand is why is there such resistance to believe that many families use admissions consultants in order to gain an advantage for their children to be accepted in top schools. Whether it is fair, or not, that’s another issue. The questions is do many people use them? The answer is affirmatively, and it is a folly to think that when families use admissions consultants to gain entry from kindergarten to all the top MBA/MD/JD programs, they would not use them to get admissions to a top college. I can bet that there is an informal relationship in the college level among schools with consultants, exactly as it is starting to come to the surface about the mba programs. (Actually at the chronicle of higher education one of the consultants has admitted that undergrad colleges have also organized similar tours.) Unfortunately, MBAs are the only schools/students who have been willing to admit their usage. But the process si the same, the consultants belong to the same companies and charge similar fees for both undergrad and grad school based on the rates I have seen for Hernandez and other companies.</p>

<p>"Last spring, the Harvard Business School quietly took a step that would have been unthinkable only ten years earlier: It welcomed nearly 50 for-hire admissions consultants to its leafy campus, treating them to a private tour of the school’s red brick…</p>

<p>That warm embrace by the most prestigious business school in the land marks a watershed for the business of admissions consultants. Not long ago, Harvard, Stanford, Wharton and other top schools regarded these hired guns with disapproval and skepticism. B-school officials often spoke out against the use of consultants, and some schools explicitly forbade applicants from hiring them. They worried that if the practice became widespread, it would be impossible for admissions officers to know if they were evaluating the work of an applicant—or that of a high-priced surrogate. And even if consultants contained themselves to merely polishing essays and helping clients present the best possible image, didn’t that confer an unfair advantage over students who couldn’t afford a paid helper?</p>

<p>Those concerns have largely fallen by the wayside. The relationship between the top schools and the consultants has gone from chilly to positively cozy. The Harvard visit was part of a three-day conference in June organized by the Association of International Graduate Admissions Consultants (AIGAC). The consultants also met with the dean of MIT’s Sloan School and the admissions officers at the most prestigious business schools in the world including Dartmouth, Yale, and Duke. Columbia, New York University, Michigan and INSEAD even gave a behind-the-scenes look at the admissions process, evaluating three hypothetical candidate profiles for the group…More than that, this new detente is an acknowledgement that any school that wants access to the most desirable applicants had better be extremely comfortable with consultants. Not only do even the top applicants engage them but the consultants, with their vast online reach, often touch more would-be students than any admissions department and wield growing influence over who applies where…The coziness that has evolved between the schools and the consultants also results from the fact that some consultants had once worked in admissions offices at the schools…Exact numbers are hard to come by—partly because students are promised complete anonymity from their consultants, a vestige of the old stigma—but more than a dozen consultants estimate that a quarter to a third of the applicants to the top 10 business schools now use their services. At Harvard, Stanford and Wharton, as many as half of the applicants now pay for advice. These aspiring MBAs pay handsomely for the counseling, often between $5,000 and $10,000 a pop. The top players can charge as much as high-end attorneys. A grad-school essay package from Hernandez College Consulting, for example, costs $900 an hour. Some offer “a la carte” counseling: a Boston consultant named Sanford Kreisberg charges $300 for a mock interview to prep an applicant for a school interview and $900 for a “one-time sanity check” to critique a completed application before it’s sent…By and large, their clients are happy with the results. Applicants who have used consultants say they improve their chances of getting into a top school…The consultants say that students are assisted in a process of deep, critical introspection: the writing, editing, re-writing, and most of all the soul-searching aimed at helping them figure out their long-term goals, ambitions and passions. “It’s about who you are. What you want. What you think. Why something’s right for you. Why you’re passionate about it,” says Duffy. “Then, once you’ve figured all that out, determining whether a particular program is right for you.”…At Hernandez College Consulting, where a five-hour package costs $4,500, Josh Stephens, the company’s essay specialist (and Princeton English major) says he thinks of the process as a collaboration. Stephens smoothes out clunky paragraphs, recommends synonyms and generally bends flat writing into a narrative arc. He also plays snake charmer, coaxing a more compelling narrative out of a basket of whatever facts and snippets the applicant presents. He recently worked with an entrepreneur from a developing country who wanted to hype his big ideas and fantastic goals. Stephens asked him to be more reflective: How might he help his country after graduation? “That wasn’t a perspective he had thought of,” Stephens says, declining to give any specifics."</p>

<p>Well, if I could afford it, I would hire a consultant to take care of my kids college process. I absolutely would. It would be another set of eyes,ears and assessment system. I 'd have someone I could discuss my ideas with who knows the process well. I have absolutely no qualms admitting this. I’m just not in the category where I can blow this money without knowing I am getting the end result I want. </p>

<p>Like Blossom, most of the people I know who have used these consultants have not gotten their kids in schools that raised any eyebrows. Or gotten any envy. I think the consultants were worth the money, in that they scheduled, organized, advised so that there was less of that on the parents minds. They had someone telling them when to do this and that, and being another push to the student who often need it and it can get nasty when the parent is doing all of it. Correcting your kid’s essay, and I mean plain old correcting it can be a battle ground. I mean correcting grammatical, spelling, syntax mistakes. Just asking to look at it to proofread can ignite a battle. These are not easy years when it comes to parent/child relationships. Much easier to have an outsider handle all of this.</p>

<p>So I absolutely believe that there is a value to these consultants and if you can afford them, do go right on ahead and do so. The only ones I could possibly afford are not going to offer enough services to be worth the price, and my youngest is not on the cusp of any top schools, and he is one that I can work with. I wish I could put him in the Hernandez bootcamps and be a client and see if she could indeed get him a Harvard acceptance. That would dazzle me, absolutely, and anyone else. Ain’t gonna happen. So it is for the vast, vast majority of kids. </p>

<p>Now what if you have a kid who is truly Harvard material. The kind of kid that you would not at all be surprised if Harvard accepted him, and would be surprised he was not accepted unless you know how the admissions scene is these days. Taking absolutely top courses at a rigorous high school that gets a goodly number of kids into HPY, getting top grades but not in val or sal running. Active in a lot of school and community activities with leadership roles in some, but nothing really eye popping or news worthy. A good athlete but not D1 material and maybe not even NCAA material. Coming in at the SAT1s at around the 2200 level based on PSAT estimates. You gonna bet that he gets into HPY? You already know the kid will get in to any number of top 254 schools most likely without the help.</p>

<p>captain, I think that’s exactly the main clientele of the top consultants. And we are not even discussing the wait list consultants! That’s another area that I believe is growing with the proliferation of the large WLs sizes, and the admittance of each student in multiple WLs.</p>

<p>Well if you are a betting person, your odds are gonna be pretty good in getting top kids into Haverford, Cornell and CMU when they are already Harvard material. Now if anyone can get one of mine into Harvard, that would impress me. That would be some feat.</p>