School officials “were late to getting that Jewish students are actually scared — they feel threatened, and they feel betrayed,”
So might I, I come to realize.
This weekend, I’m meeting up with friends, who happen to be Jewish and have a senior in HS.
I will have to listen to them and learn, how current events affect them.
In my own bubble, I might not have been as good a friend as I could have been.
There are states passing laws against hate crimes and antisemitic acts
As they should. Speech however, remains protected by government entities at the federal, state, and local level.
so they can look at a masked person and immediately know if they are a student and belong there? Seriously?
Not suggesting they discriminate on passports but you knew that. Just suggesting that they ask for ID and turn the names over to the Admin Board for possible violations. All students get treated the same.
"The Administrative Board is responsible for looking into instances when students’ behavior may violate the College’s expectations around social conduct. These include instances of physical violence, harassment, theft, property damage, and dishonesty. "
I think one has already been identified as a Harvard law student.
That’s one way to flush a promising career down the drain.
Of course, there will always be people trying to test or stretch the boundaries between free speech and harassment, threats, etc. that are considered criminal. Of course, whatever those who make the judgement call on the act decide, someone will complain noisily.
People may also not realize that the threats to Jewish student safety extends well beyond just Jewish students. If things get out of control, all students are physically in harm’s way - the kid across the street, the room mate, classmate, the kid in line with him at the coffee shop. Moreover, racist people are often also ignorant and stupid. In the wake of 9/11, I recall a Sikh man was killed by someone targeting an Arab person - the killer didn’t know the difference between Sikh and Arab. So no one should presume to be safe just because they don’t fall in threatened class of people. Even if just for selfish reasons, it’s in everyone’s best interests to get these schools to take control before something bad happens.
That was exactly my point 100 posts above. People should not sit and think, this is freedom of speech etc. When hot fights will break it would be too late. Property will be destroyed, people will die who will happen to be in neighborhood. Nothing good will come out of this. Society needs to stop any hate activities.
Hate speech can be criminalized when it directly incites imminent criminal activity or consists of specific threats of violence targeted at a specific person or group (Snyder v. Phelps)
Right, schools/organizations need to start enforcing rules and get strict. The more they let things slide, the more emboldened bad actors will become. People need to know there will be strong consequences, not just words.
Thanks for clarifying. Your multi-message focus on the presence (or not), and number, of international students, and the fact that colleges weren’t “asking” if they were international students,…
… didn’t make this at all obvious (to me).
I now understand that your main concern is that demonstrators cannot be individually ID’ed?
Even if you close the gates to the public (which several did), and then check ID’s at the gate to make sure that everyone wishing to still enter is student/staff, you still wouldn’t know which of your 200 people who entered campus, plus the other 1,000 that had stayed on campus all along, ended up just grabbing lunch, decided to watch the demo as bystanders, and which ones actually shouted slurs!?
I’m not sure I understand why some of these colleges are confused about what behavior is acceptable vs not. And it seems like the more elite a college, the higher the level of confusion!
If protestors are intimidating others (like what happened at Cooper Union) or making threats (like at Cornell), that’s clearly not acceptable. But if they are peacefully protesting without saying or doing hateful things (like the Princeton protest mentioned above), that’s ok.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/01/us/cornell-university-antisemitic-threats-thursday/index.html
Cornell canceled classes for tomorrow. Apparently, Patrick Dai had scoped out some of the sites frequented by Jews on campus, where he’d threatened to commit a mass shooting.
Harvard has still not publicly responded specifically to the incident in which anti-Israeli demonstrators mobbed a Jewish student on campus, refusing to let him walk through, screaming at him, some pushing and shoving him. An editor for the Harvard Law Review, Ibrahim Bharmal, was identified as one of the students participating in the assault. Another is a divinity student, Elom Tetty-Tamaklo, who is also a proctor (grad student serving as a freshman advisor). Can you imagine how the Jewish students under his advisorship must feel?
Business leaders step up where academia fails….
A lot of the turmoil seems attributed to graduate students. Maybe schools with smaller or no grad students are more peaceful?
I watched the YouTube - and from what I can make out there is someone who wants to film people - vs. people don’t want to be filmed, who in the process holding up large banners, possibly keffiyehs to block the camera.
Assuming that interfering with someone’s movements, but possibly also filming someone against their objection, might violate some rules of conduct - their actions will hopefully be reviewed based on the facts and severity of the incident, not based on how many billions or what tabloids some third party has behind them.
It wasn’t clear to me (or those present?) that the person who sought to film fellow students was Jewish - thus, whether race/religion was a motivation at all?
A slightly different reporting than the NY Post:
following a pro-Palestinian campus demonstration in which a Jewish student appeared to be ushered away,
a student appeared to film pro-Palestinian protesters before they demanded he leave and escorted him away from the protest
Mmmm🤔 why would that be? Are they unwilling to publicly acknowledge their participation in the protest? He has a right to be near the protest as long as he is behaving peacefully. Is filming a public protest now considered violent behavior?
And an assault is an assault, battery is battery…both are crimes.
“a complaint on the incident was filed with the FBI’s Boston office and the Harvard University Police Department.
“An Israeli student on his way to class pulled his phone out to film the rioters and he was attacked. He was assaulted both physically and verbally. Throughout the assault he kept calm, but was aggressively attacked by Pro-Palestine rioters,” reads the report to the FBI, which was reviewed by the Free Beacon. “At least 2 of those involved have been identified as employees of the University and have not yet been dismissed from their posts.””
Also read the victim is an MBA student.
Agreed!
Who said that? Quote?
However, if the “public” protest was on university grounds, then the rules of filming fellow students against their objections may or may not be a matter of policies.
Doxxing?
Would be my guess.
I don’t know if they are entitled to participate in protests without obligation to reveal their identities?
(In certain countries, the risk of being identified for demonstrating can be literally life-altering.)
A group of MAGA supporters are marching through Harvard (HA!). A Black student stops to film them and is surrounded and both physically and verbally assaulted by the Trump fans. Two of those involved are employees of Harvard.
How do you think the university would respond?