College suggestions for mid-sized schools in the lower midwest/south/southeast with good merit aid?

Bright kid (4.0 UW GPA, many AP classes, 33 ACT, top 2% of HS class by weighted GPA, good ECs with some state-level recognition but nothing national yet) with the goal of getting a PhD in psychology (thus, undergraduate research opportunities are paramount). She wants some place warmer than Minnesota and thinks Greek life looks really interesting (honestly, not a partier in the slightest–she likes the closeknit friendship and tradition aspects). She is politically liberal but fairly quiet about it. Family EFC of around ~30k but would greatly prefer a cost of ~$15k a year or less for tuition, fees, room, and board (~20k might be doable but ~15k would give more opportunities for extras and breathing room), so merit aid is huge plus. We’ve looked at:

-Mississippi State (size seemed right on paper and the psychology department is great, but no one liked the campus or town, and it just didn’t “click”)
-University of Alabama (surprisingly, loved almost every bit of it–gorgeous campus, faculty seemed wonderful and attentive, great research opportunities)
-University of Florida (great campus and great psychology department but seems too big and to be lacking in individual attention, cost knocks it out anyway)
-University of Minnesota (too big, too urban)

We visited Oregon and did some tours of campuses while there to get a sense of what generally appealed and what didn’t:
-Lewis and Clark (almost immediately deemed too small. Very nice campus. though)
-Portland State (way too urban and non-traditional of a campus)
-U Oregon (good size, great campus, research opportunities seem pretty good but cost and weather would be real concerns)

From that, we have the general working parameters of:
-South/Southeast or lower Midwest
-Mid-sized (15,000-25,000 seems to be the sweet spot, with Alabama being an exception, but could go lower. Below ~5,000 is probably a hard cut-off)
-Probably some graduate presence, as it really does heighten research activity in psychology faculty
-Good merit aid that the brings the cost down to around ~$15k per year

Schools in consideration so far:
-Alabama (size exception, but again, absolutely loved it–cost is slightly above what would be ideal ~$17k after auto-merit but doable)
-Missouri State (looks great on paper and generous auto-merit brings it down to the cost level we need)
-Appalachian State (looks great on paper, heard nothing but good things, merit aid is a question mark)
-NW Missouri State (smaller and less of grad presence than ideal but enough positives that it’s worth a look)
-Truman State (great merit aid, some concerns about the weather/town, again a bit smaller and less of a grad presence)

Any other suggestions?

If you are looking for merit maybe look at:

Ole Miss
Alabama Huntsville
Miami - Ohio

They offer substantial merit.

Maybe look at TCU.

I don’t think that you are going to beat Alabama. With a 15k price point, you are really looking for full tuition scholarships. Put in an application early. You could be a one and done.

I know you want to go south and to larger schools but I strongly encourage you to look at Grinnell. Not only does it have an outstanding reputation but it sends high percentages of graduates to doctoral programs. See Table 4 in this document: https://www.nsf.gov/statistics/infbrief/nsf13323/

It also has a strong endowment and I have read that it provides good merit aid.

Added: If you understand that table, it’s telling you something about odds of earning a PhD if you graduate from the given undergraduate institution. Several small colleges are high on that list. Reed (my alma mater), Swarthmore, Carleton, Grinnell, Oberlin, Harvey Mudd, Pomona, Macalester – and others. Also consider Rice.

@mackinaw Grinnell is a great school. However, it doesn’t meet any of the OPs criteria. Most importantly cost. They have a 30k EFC and are looking for a net cost around 15k.

Reed grads never follow the instructions. ?

Sorry @Eeyore123, but this is an open-ended discussion and search process. I have found that many people are much more flexible in their college choices once they’ve begun to look in earnest. I’ve never been to Grinnell but I’ve met several graduates who are now academics at doctoral research institutions. It’s worth considering. Others in the upper midwest worth considering include UChicago. My son attended Chicago and also got some merit money. It has since become much much more difficult to get into.

Florida Tech has a very good, and varied, psychology program (forensic and autism are two specialties). The cost is high but there is auto merit of probably $25k for those stats, and there would be other aid available too. Definitely warmer than Minnesota. I don’t know if you can get it down to $15k. Two years ago they had 60 full tuition scholarships for freshman to celebrate an anniversary) so you never know what they are going to come up with for next year.

There is a small Greek Life. Because there are 70% males at the school, the Greek houses are also split that way with about 8-9 frats and 3 sororities. They keep the activities going but there aren’t that many wild parties.

My daughter’s best friend just finished her masters in psychology. She’s a great kid, good student (I think she may have had a 4.0) and really liked the program.

University of Mississippi seems to be in the desired size range (about 19k undergraduates), and has automatic merit scholarships as listed at https://finaid.olemiss.edu/scholarships/#8 (cost of attendance at https://finaid.olemiss.edu/cost-of-attendance/ ).

However, if she is interested in sorority life, she may want to investigate whether the reputedly highly competitive sorority rush process is for her. For example, see this article: https://thedmonline.com/rush-submission/ . Also, chapter photos suggest that the sororities are highly racially segregated.

Make sure that you understand the possible cost of a sorority.

My cousin majored in psychology at LSU and loved the department. She’s now in the PhD program at University of Arkansas and very happy there too. Your stats would get you tons of merit at both.

Agree about cost of Greek life at Alabama. My friend pays over $5,000/year for his son’s fraternity dues. My guess is sororities are higher. You can google their average cost. LSU is closer to $3,000/year.

Per the Alabama Panhellenic Assoc, average living out of house fees (incl meals) are $3600-$4100 per semester.

Appalachian State is a beautiful campus because its located in the mountains and the satisfaction rate from alumni seems to be high(nothing scientific, just what I have noticed from alumni over the years). When we visited I noticed that outside of campus there didnt seem to really be many choices to eat or really anything to do, Boone is small. My son didnt mind it but something to keep in mind. Also because it is in the mountains, it is much cooler temp wise than the rest of NC, and they get snow more frequently.

Sounds like she would qualify for full-tuition at UT Dallas. That would bring costs undee $15,000.

@geauxagain Do you know if that amount includes the social aspect, or is it just dues? Buying dresses and shoes for social functions can really add up (heaven forbid you wear the same one twice). There are the t-shirt that you have to buy to support the fundraising event. The list goes on.

She could be in running for big merit from Furman – they have some full-ride. Very strong in sciences including psychology. Greenville, SC is an awesome small city. She’d be a great geographic diversity pick but would need to show them some love to let them know she’s serious.

Yes, Appalachian State is a great school in great mountain town. I don’t know much about their financial aid packages, however.

Also, University of Kentucky has some nice merit offers and an honors dorm, college.

Look at UGA and USC (the state, not CA) – might be bigger reach to get their top dollar merit offers but worth looking into.

Look at Univ. of Utah and/or Utah State for other auto merit offers. I know Utah St. has a table that shows you what you’d pay based on scores/gpa. Logan is a super cute town but could be too cold in winter for her. SLC is snowy but not really all that cold.

What about Butler? My D’s friend is firs-year there and joined sorority. She’s a really happy college student. Just got accepted to a cool study abroad in Australia program. It’s like Furman in that you wouldn’t know what the cost would be til after getting admitted but look at the Common Data Set to see how many students get merit $$ and if they have any full tuition awards.

Mt. Holyoke also has a small number of full tuition merit awards that would get you to about $15k for room and board. Like Furman, you’d have to show them some love by visiting, interviewing, etc.

Miami-Ohio is an excellent suggestion. It ticks all the boxes and I bet she’d get some merit.

I think your strategy is to find one auto-merit that you can afford as a safety and then pick a good number of others to see what non-auto merit offers might come in. She might need to apply to 10 others and I bet she’ll end up with some great options. Make sure she’s requests Skype interviews if she can’t visit and shows demonstrated interest in other ways.

Good luck!

MHC is too small, too cold, and has no grad students in Psychology.

I disagree with the UGA recommendation as you are not likey to get enough merit.

You might look at Tulsa as they used to award nice merit scholarships.

The Presidential Scholarship at University of Tulsa is the only one that would get within price range. ~25 per year, with a competitive process that requires an on-campus interview. TU is also not in the desired size range.

https://ofsl.sa.ua.edu/join/financial-info/