College visits - better for applicant to make arrangements?

<p>We will soon be starting college visits.</p>

<p>If my daughter wants to attend a particular class, will it be to her advantage in the application process if she makes her own arrangements?</p>

<p>Or does it not matter if her parent does so?</p>

<p>Also, are schools generally open to parents observing a class, or do they restrict this opportunity to applicants?</p>

<p>We had a chance for an impromptu visit to a school over spring break, so the whole family went along. Daughter was embarrassed to be seen with the parental units, so we walked a discreet distance behind.</p>

<p>I do not think the secretary in admissions cared who was making the request for D to sit in on classes. It is not easy to make those calls from school. I never thought about sitting in on a class, I am not the one applying. I do not think I saw any kids alone on our tours, all had a least 1 adult with them. We did go to Accepted Student Day and D asked me to attend a student info session and take notes so she could attend a different info session.</p>

<p>On our recent visits to a bunch of schools in the Northeast, classroom visits seemed to require no advance arrangements, and I don't believe there would be any advantage in the admissions process if your D tried to organize visits through that office. Where we visited, you just find a class on the list (either handed out at admissions office or on the web) and show up. They sometimes will say "students only" and that the student should introduce self to the prof either before or after class, unless it's a large lecture. As a parent, I didn't feel it would be appropriate to attend, but I suppose that could be less of an issue in huge classes.</p>

<p>Parental units were very visible on all the tours we did, but I've talked to many parents who just sent their kids off on their own if they preferred to be independent. </p>

<p>Have fun!</p>

<p>Many of these arrangements can be made by email. We setup a separate email account for my D's college search and application process. That kept the important emails out of the general file and we parents also had access to keep track when our D was not available.</p>

<p>Many of the schools will have an online form to request the indepth visit. It will usually ask what classes you would like to visit. If there in not a place for that you can add it in the extra section.
Or even just email the admissions office with your request.</p>

<p>You can also try e-mailing the department. Admissions offices often only have a list of large lecture courses, but often a professor won't mind if you sit in on some of the smaller classes. I went along on most of the tours and department presentations, but didn't go to any sample classes.</p>

<p>We did edad's method with the all-purpose kid-college yahoo email account.</p>

<p>I would not show up at a class "uninvited." Make all your arrangments through admissions. They don't care who calls.</p>

<p>We did the college email using yahoo also. We used her name as the sign in, nothing cute. And check the bulk every couple of days, some stuff just got directed there.</p>

<p>D sat in on classes at 3 small schools, all arrangements had to be made by admissions. All the instructors were expecting her and met her in the hall or at the door. The state univ would not make any arrangements, she had to find a student to take her to class.</p>

<p>"nothing cute"</p>

<p>That was another reason my D needed a new account.</p>

<p>D used a plain vanilla yahoo account to email coaches at various LAC's.</p>

<p>We set up visit and interview appointments for her through the admission offices during school hours. Didn't seem to be problem....</p>

<p>DS makes all the calls -- it has helped his confidence -- with all the IMing these kids do, they hardly know how to make a phone call any more! </p>

<p>DS contacted professors (via email) in the classes he wanted to visit. No one has ever turned him down; in fact, most sent emails welcoming him -- some sent lecture notes for that day, offered to speak with him afterwards, and one sent the homework that was due! (which he enjoyed doing...but that was what he wanted to assess in that particular class anyway!)</p>

<p>On spring break, DS went to visit classes, while DH did the info sessions. DS did campus tours as time permitted. His main goal was to sit in on classes and then wander the halls of his intended major departments, reading what was posted and snagging a prof/advisor to chat with. He felt it was a successful way to approach the process, but he isn't picky about things like dorms and food, so this may not work for others.</p>

<p>If DS is on the campus tour with us, our rule is to keep our mouths shut and let DS ask questions. If he's elsewhere, we'll ask if it seems appropriate. Absolutely no sitting in on class!</p>

<p>Another reason for setting up a separate email account is to avoid using questionable email names. "SexySoph" or "GotBeer" may be great for exchanges with friends, but may not go over well with the admissions people. Personally, I have a domain name with 5 email boxes and up to 400 email aliases for $18/yr. It's not free but gives me plenty of flexibility. S/D have their own email plus I can forward email to multiple destinations. When S/D go away to college they can keep using the account or forward email to their university account. I could even set up an email alias for my S/D for every school: <a href="mailto:harvard@x.y">harvard@x.y</a>, <a href="mailto:duke12@x.y">duke12@x.y</a>, etc. I think that's overkill though.</p>

<p>Setting up visits for a spring break trip this year, S made most of the arrangements w/ behind the scenes help from parents, although I had to make some last-minute changes due to my work schedule. I don't think it hurts the student's chances for parents to be involved where they have to, but the student needs to learn to take responsibility.</p>

<p>To clarify -- while DS contacted schools and profs, DH did the travel arragnements and logistics, since he was the one doing 1700 miles of driving in five days. Wanted to make sure he had a comfortable bed and food to eat, after many hours of driving, I guess... :)</p>

<p>If DS needed to reach someone at a school and he absolutely could not do it, I would make the call, but my preference is for him to take the reins.</p>

<p>My d made a list of where to go over spring break--but I contacted the schools. </p>

<p>I drop her off at school at 7:30 in the morning and she is never home before 4 pm. She is there until after 6 a lot of the time.</p>

<p>All of the schools that we looked at over spring break were on the East Coast, ahead one hour, and required phone calls for appts. So I had to do it.</p>

<p>She was active in the planning, looking for hotels etc,</p>

<p>While DS arranged to spend a night in the dorm, two of the schools on our spring trip had hotel/conf. centers on campus. For schools that have such facilities, I would highly recommend those accommodations for parents. It makes better use of time and helps get a better feel for the school.</p>

<p>Like anything else, I think you have to alter your approach depending on the school. So here is what we figured out about my daughter's school. Use whatever may be applicable:</p>

<p>a) They are looking for kids whose parents allow them to take on the responsibility of young adults. In that context, the less seen and heard from parents in the admissions contacts, the better. I would NEVER sit in on a class as an adult. I would encourage the student to handle the communications with the school. I don't know if parental hovering could negatively impact an application, but it sure wouldn't earn any brownie points on the scale of student initiative the school is looking for.</p>

<p>b) The school is small enough that an applicant can use the admissions process to make herself known to the admissions office over time, while at the same time demonstrating the initiative to learn about the school. If the adcom knows her before the application deadline, great. If a professor mentions something to the admissions office, bonus points.</p>

<p>c) Every contact with the school is an "opportunity". You don't want to pester the admissions office with silly questions, so the legitimate questions are a precious opportunity, not to be squandered.</p>

<p>d) My daughter sent an initial e-mail request for information with a one paragraph introduction directly to her regional adcom the summer before her senior year.</p>

<p>e) From that point on, she went about setting up her own stuff for campus visits, sending CC: copies to the her adcom. So for example, she e-mailed several professors asking if their classes would be appropriate to sit in on...copying the adcom. He didn't have to lift a finger, but he could see her initiative. And, of course, each contact with a particular department or activity defined a particular interest that she planned to feature on her application. He probably could have filled out the bullet-point list for her application index card before he even got the application.</p>

<p>f) In one case, she couldn't tell which of two staff members (at an extracurricular organization) would be the right person for her to contact. So she e-mailed the adcom: "As, you know I've been involved in [this activity] for four years, so I've been researching the XXXXX organization on campus. I think that Ms ??????? would be the right person for me to contact for a meeting when I visit, but it might be Mr. CCCCC. Is Ms. ???????? the appropriate contact?"</p>

<p>And, so on and so forth. It avoids the whole problem of "pestering" the admissions office with dumb questions that could be answered from the website. The questions and contacts actually arise from properly researching the website. Every contact is a legitimate action for a diligent applicant trying to learn if the school is right. But, the adcom doesn't have to do much. By the end of the process, the adcom knew enough about her interests to e-mail her an occasional link to a campus newspaper article that she might find interesting.</p>

<p>I'm not saying that this approach would be appropriate for every school. Some schools are just too big for anything like this to work. Some schools might not appreciate a prospect pokin' around campus to that degree. But, it worked for my daughter. She had e-mail conversations with several professors who she then met on campus during her visit. She learned a lot. And, she ended up with an adcom who knew who she was (from a stack of cc's), thus leveling the playing field with applicants from high schools that are better connected.</p>

<p>So, borrow what you think may be appropriate for a particular college. It's a way of thinking about the application process as an "informational sell" where you try to learn as much as you can about what makes the college tick. This process demonstrates initiative and helps put together a better application -- both of which might end up being that one little thing that gets an acceptance letter or other equally qualified applicants.</p>

<p>I don't think it matters, especially at bigger schools/schools that receive a ton of visitors or applicants, since there is no way that you will be remembered anyway (well, maybe if you are a quadrapelgic who just climbed Mount Everest). It's a more legitimate concern than some others (there was quite the debate over whether the applicant or the interviewer should offer to buy the coffee...), but as long as the parent doesn't venture into extremely low flying helicopter land, I think it's fine either way.</p>

<p>I admire these resourceful kids who take the initiative! Wow! But to reassure other parents, I think many parents will be the driving force in terms of organizing visits, at least at the beginning of the search (i.e. junior year trips). That seems okay to me, since many (most?) schools don't interview or offer overnight visits to juniors. At that point, it's so important to just visit different types of schools, and not to expect to pick out the schools one will apply to. Just hearing your child say "I could see myself at a school like this" can be a moment of relief! Likewise, it's also a good opportunity to eliminate a bunch of schools that sound good on paper, but where the kids don't seem engaged, or happy, or friendly - whatever your child's criteria.</p>

<p>Junior year visits are just scouting expeditions, really. I'm not sure that I would even sit in on classes...certainly not very many.</p>

<p>The process I was talking about is more of a "full-court press" starting once the list takes shape. And trust me, parents will still be a driving force. Kids aren't born knowing how to pursue an "informational sell" or really eager to sit down and e-mail professors the first time. It's a learning experience.</p>