Colleges For Musical Theater - Part 40!

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<p>Jasmom...
We posted at the same time, so I did not read your post until now. That DOES sound like the GAP productions. They may just get that space for two weeks but as you know, they rehearse for longer than that! I think proposals absolutely go through a board, that's how my D explained it as well. </p>

<p>My D finished up everything at school on Wednesday but had asked to say a few days in the city with all of her school friends and have a chance to play tourist and finally have free time to do stuff in the city which they don't get to do that often with their schedules (though did back in orientation!) and also the holiday stuff in the city....I think she's been out day and night, and I have barely spoken to her with the hours she keeps. I think she is performing in a musical review today at a children's hospital as she had done on Halloween, as part of a service thing she's doing for Tisch Scholars. She's doing it with older students she has known for years who either are seniors or have already graduated and have a theater company. But then she is flying home tomorrow to our winter wonderland here, and my other daughter is coming home tomorrow too! THEN maybe I can REALLY talk to them, LOL. Enjoy it as well.</p>

<p>Susan</p>

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<p>Just wanted to wish everyone a very Merry Christmas. We are leaving town this morning to return Tuesday. I hope everyone has a safe and joyous holiday. And I hope we all remember the reason for the season. Just like many of you, I am treasuring this time for my d to be home with family. Congratulations to all those who have received good news and may the rest find peace in their decisions and encouragement for future hopes and future auditions. We start a new year soon and I hope it brings success (whatever that might mean for each of you) for everyone here.</p>

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<p>Shenandoah University 2005
Freshman applications received: 1,121
Freshman applicants accepted: 92%
Freshmen enrolled: 326 </p>

<p>This past year i believe 350 students auditioned for Musical Theatre, and 65 were accepted. This years Music Theatre freshman class is the biggest they've accepted. Next year they are cutting back the amount of acceptances by 30%</p>

<p>There is a general emphasis in all disciplines, but it is more music based. You are recquired at somepoint to take a full semester of each general ED course such as English, Math, History, and Science. but they can be theatre general ED courses. For example you can take HOT (History of Theatre) as your History Gen ED course. As for math, you do need to take a regular math course such as Algebra or Calc. So although it is a Conservatory they make sure that you stay in tune with your gen eds if you will.
If you would like i can even lay out for you an example of a freshman schedule . . . </p>

<p>As for the ranking I am not sure who ranked it i can't remember but i am continuing to search for the definite answer. But it is ranked number 2 out of Conservatory programs. 1. CCM 2. Shenandoah Conservatory 3. Boston Conservatory . . . as soon as i get a full ranking and source i shall be glad to send it to you. </p>

<p>I believe there is a senior showcase, but i am not 100% positive, but i can certainly find out.</p>

<p>As for former students . . . Shenandoah has produced a countless number of broadway performers there have been at least a dozen and the numbers are growing. Rick Costa, Elizabeth Green, Scott Logsdon, Garrett Long, Kathy Voytko Cudia, Jason Wooten and Laura Woyasz, to name a few.</p>

<p>Costa appeared most recently in the long, successful run of the Broadway production of “Cabaret.” Rick’s credits also include the 1995 Broadway production of “Gentlemen Prefer Blondes.” Green had the good fortune to work with Carol Channing in the revival of “Hello, Dolly!” After appearing on Broadway in “Les Miserables,” Logsdon then toured internationally with the show. Long received a Drama Desk Nomination and a Drama League Award for her work in the world premiere of “Spitfire Grill.” </p>

<p>Voytko has appeared in the Broadway production of “Oklahoma!,” and recently, in “Nine.” And even more recently was in Stephen Sondheim’s “The Frogs” with Nathan Lane. Wooten first appeared on Broadway in “Footloose” as an understudy to the lead. From there he went on to the Broadway productions of “Jesus Christ Superstar,” “Rocky Horror Show Live” and “Dance of the Vampires.” Last year found Woyasz in the Playwrights Horizons production of “My Life With Albertine." We have i believe 2 graduates on Broadway right now, and for the life of me i can not remember their names, but i shall get them for you if you'd like. the conservatory also produced the currently best and most sought after tenor (spinto dramatico) in the world (Carl Tanner) and a great number of highly successful instrumentalists. Robert Duvall, Willard Scott, Elly Ameling et. al hold honorary doctorates from Shenandoah. I personally know several alumni whom have graduated up to 10 years ago, all of whom are incredibly talented and are all working. Most of them are on National Tours right now, and all of them have been working since the day they got out, now i'm not saying that's true for every music theatre graduate, but of the 15 that i know, all are working :-)</p>

<p>i am sorry that it took me so long to get back, i had lost the site and forgotten what it was called. i hope this information helps you even though it may be a little late, but you should definitely check out the website, and if you have any more questions or know of anyone that does i would be happy to answer them, and if i don't have the answers i would be happy to get them. </p>

<p><a href="http://www.su.edu/conservatory/index3.cfm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.su.edu/conservatory/index3.cfm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Happy Holidays ! ! !</p>

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<p>if you are auditioning for NYU do it, i'm sure it's many kids first choice . . . I just want to give you a little inside scoop on NYU, and if you're going to ask me how i would know any of this i have a lot of friends that are currently attending NYU Tisch . . . NYU is NOT where you want to be. their program is going down hill. this is do to the fact that they had to fire there staff and re-hire everyone. dear friends of mine that have just graduated have said to me that if they were seniors and juniors in highschool they wouldn't even apply there right now. their program has weakend do to the events that have occured. now these events haven't happend in the past week, but i am letting you know that they have happend. i'm not sure if i'm allowed to say why they had to fire their staff, but if you already know then, you know. Most of my friends that are there right now are not happy with whats going on. </p>

<p>I am not saying to not audition for this school, i'm just saying that it isn't the best choice right now. if you have gotten in, congratulations ! i am sure it was more than deserved, just be aware that it may not be what you expect. I am sorry if this is a mean or rude or disrespectful post, i was just going through some of the old posts and i just saw a lot of NYU everywhere and just wasn't sure if people were aware of this fact . . . if you have any questions please reply or email. </p>

<p>Merry Christmas and Happy New Year ! ! ! and goodluck on everyones audtions and applications !</p>

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<p>Unless you have more concrete information, this falls in the gossip/rumor/hearsay/myth category.</p>

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<p>it isn't gossip or rumors . . . i'm waiting on a response from one of my friends who is going to give me the definite definite details for you, and then i shall post them if you'd like</p>

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<p>okay so this was sent to me in an email saying that someone else had replied to my post on NYU and why it is not here is beyond me, so i am copying and pasting it here for you all so see . . . </p>

<p>Hello afellowthespian,</p>

<p>ThespianDreams has just replied to a thread you have subscribed to
entitled - Colleges For Musical Theater - Part 40! - in the Musical Theater
Major forum of College Discussion.</p>

<p>This thread is located at:
<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=95985&goto=newpost%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=95985&goto=newpost&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Here is the message that has just been posted:</p>

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<p>I figured it out- you ARE her! Hi!!!! (Check your IMs)</p>

<p>Sorry, everyone BUT afellowthespian thinks im nuts now.. we're acutally good friends. </p>

<p>I heard the same while auditioning for Syracuse- Someone I was talking
to there said they chose Syracuse over NYU, they were accepted at both, but chose Syracuse because of NYU's declining program.</p>

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<p>Hi a fellowthespian</p>

<p>That's a little strange...wonder why it didn't make the thread? Anyhow, you should know that your post is going to cause the S*** to hit the fan around here. I hope you're prepared to back up your NYU info before everyone gets back from their holiday vacations, cause you are about to be MAILED! We need facts around here, hearsay is just hearsay. That being said, any and all inside information is appreciated. Hope this makes the thread ?!</p>

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<p>god i hope that i'll have enough info too . . . i am still waiting for my friend to get back to me, because he knows more about the specifics than i do, but really students that have been there for a few years, it shouldn't matter to them, it's really students going into a program with new teachers that isn't the best. My friend just graduated this December she was CAP 21, and she told me personally that if she was a highschool student she wouldn't apply there again for a few years. but i mean if it's your preference it's your preference, it does have a great history . . . as soon as i get that reply everything that has been said to me will go up i promise</p>

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<p>afellowthespian, I do hope you follow up on this. I am far from an expert on college-level MT programs, but when you say something like what you said about NYU's CAP21 program, you better not only be ready with facts to back it up (and a comment or two from one student doesn't qualify as "facts," I am afraid! :)) but also ready to take some heat from some online here who think the world of that program! Of course, I think we would all agree that it is worthwhile to hear what current students of any program think of it, while remembering that in any program (no matter how good), there will be those who are disgruntled/found it didn't meet their needs, etc. In the end, from-the-horse's mouth info is important, but perhaps not as important, in the end, as a program's reputation over the years. I daresay we can't quarrel with NYU's. It has been a top program for a long time, and that shows no signs of ending soon.
That said, please do follow up with your friend. Perhaps you can encourage him to post on the list himself.
LD</p>

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<p>okay until i recieve this email or get this person to post the information i want to clear some things, and give you some information that was just sent to me. </p>

<p>okay i never said that it was CAP 21 i was just saying that i had a friend that just went through CAP 21, but i definitely was not designating this to that program, because my friend has had the sane CAP proffessors since day one which would now be 4 years ago. so it isn't CAP.
here is what my other friend said that has also just graduated at NYU and was CA.</p>

<p>"tisch is still top of its game, the criticism is that you pay a lot for your degree, but i will tell you, the students who go to tisch are extremely well trained, its a very competitive and grueling program, and it trains actors how to be successful in the BUSINESS of show biz
and if this did happen it sure as hell wasn't CAP, some of the other programs are on crack, but not CAP. There are definitely weak departments....but i haven't heard of such a thing. I know there were problems with the Grads "</p>

<p>-see it was said that there was a scandal between i believe the student body and professors, and that's why they had to fire and re-hire, but i definitely know that it wasn't CAP-</p>

<p>" wow....never heard that. yeah, not true. i would've known about it"</p>

<p>-i'm waiting for the person that told me this to email me back, because it's important that i get the specifics-</p>

<p>" but yeah, that's soooo not true <em>laughs</em>Tisch is one of the most competitive theatre programs in the country...when i auditioned....there were 6000 for 72 slots....now it's even more . . . "</p>

<p>there you have it, and i am still waiting on that reply and if i don't get it, i don't know what i'm going to do, i guess i'll just have to back off of what i have said. coming from me personally. NYU's CAP 21 program is phenomenal, and NYU's reputation is nothing BUT spectacular that i will agree with . . .</p>

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<p>OKAY ! SO I HAVE THE INFORMATION NOW ! ! !<br>
the person that gave me this information in confidence had apparently miss spoke the last time he talked with me. The program that had experienced the miss fortune of firing their staff and rehiring, was NOT NYU it was in fact the New School. this person sent me an email today apologizing for the miss communication, and i am now apologizing for the countless posts. </p>

<p>"NYU is just one of those programs where if you're good and driven, youll get a lot out of it. But if youre not, you wont. its just not the smartest choice, a] because there are other equal or better programs at other schools and b] theyre cheaper . . ." said by the person who emailed me . . . again this is only one persons opinion, and also to me even if there are schools out there that are equally good, they don't hold the name in the business like NYU does</p>

<p>in response to the school that had to fire and re-hire </p>

<p>"oooh no that was New School University. There was a thing where the dean or president of the school or something killed kids in vietnam. . . " . . . as you know if you go to AMDA you must finish your degree at the New School University . . . so that's how it applies to Musical Theatre</p>

<p>NYU is a very accredited school, and is thought highly of in the Musical Theatre business, i am sorry for the confusion, and mix-up on his and my part, for this is my fault. i shouldn't have posted anything without checking and double checking and triple checking my sources, and i apologize for the un-professionalism in my reporting . . . it was a very adolescent move on my part, and i do not regret anything more . . . i hope you will accept my apologies, and i wish that i could just go back and delete the entries, but i don't believe there is, so i'm just going to have to stick it out. </p>

<p>if there is anything anyone would like to ask me on Shenandoah or any other music theatre schools i would be happy to give you all of the information i have. i have many friends at many different schools for this professions and i myself researched programs extensively before picking my audition roster if you will . . . i am sorry for any inconveniences that i may have caused, and i can only hope that people will be understanding . . .</p>

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<p>This thread is hilarious.</p>

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<p>how so ? ? ?</p>

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<p>"New School University. There was a thing where the dean or president of the school or something killed kids in vietnam. . ."</p>

<p>"As for the ranking I am not sure who ranked it i can't remember but i am continuing to search for the definite answer. But it is ranked number 2 out of Conservatory programs. 1. CCM 2. Shenandoah Conservatory 3. Boston Conservatory . . . as soon as i get a full ranking and source i shall be glad to send it to you."</p>

<p>Aspiringactess was probably referring to one of these farcical statements...or the misinformation on the whole thread. This isn't even relevant to any other thing on this board, but the real facts re. The New School is that it was previously affiliated with the Actors Studio; i.e. The Actors Studio was the drama training wing (a grad program) of the New School. The New School recently severed those ties with the Actors Studio and recently began its own drama school (a grad program) under the (interim) leadership of Robert Lupone. I believe the Actors Studio will continue on, but under the auspices of another institution...last I heard they were still talking to other schools in and around NYC, but I'm not sure if they have reached any agreements as of now. But again, this has nothing to do with NYU, or undergraduate drama study, or musical theatre study*...or killing children in Vietnam.</p>

<p>(*Even though AMDA students can get a degree by finishing up credits at the New School, they don't get any musical theatre/acting training there; they only complete liberal arts credits.)</p>

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<p>afellowthespian, it's a little ironic that your friend told you that info "in confidence" and then you spread it all over the place vis a vis this Internet discussion list. Worse yet, you mis-identified the school in question, stating earlier that it was New York University you were talking about. :(</p>

<p>I am sure you meant no harm, but please be more careful in the future when you pass along unsubstantiated gossip about a program of which you, personally, have NO firsthand knowledge. (It would be even better if you were more sure of what program you are talking about.) A lot of prospective college students and their parents read this list and many count on the information they glean here.</p>

<p>Let this be a lesson to us all: read with a critical eye and consider the source of information. Come to think of it, I am sure most of us do that anyway.</p>

<p>LD</p>

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<p>After a year and a half of lurking and reading, I have finally decided it's time to come out and dive into this wonderful world of musical theater postings! I love reading this stuff. I am a teacher and spent my summer reading everything! No simple task, I might add! Reading your postings is also more entertaining that soap operas and reality TV! However, it is an unbelievable resource as you all know! My daughter is a junior about to embark on this audition process/journey. I already feel that we have this huge support group out there to help us. I gave my daughter a nice, grownup planner and a journal to help her plan for and record her experiences as we go through this together. So it is with a huge deep breath and a giant gulp that we join all of you. I am more than a little nervous about helping her through this. Her first headshots ever will happen in January as she prepares her application to Michigan's MPulse. It ought to be a nice way to get our feet before the "real deal" next year! I look forward to continuing to read your thoughts and experiences and sharing ours as well. Happy New Year to all and good luck in 2006!</p>

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<p>MTHeaded - Welcome lurker and good luck!!!!</p>

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<p>Thanks! By the way, being a teacher, I hate that I made 2 mistakes..than not that and get our feet WET...but my keyboard has serious issues! Past postings also taught us that there are others out there that take note of grammar and spelling errors! These mistakes seem to prove my MTHeaded name! To top it all off, I am blond!</p>

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<p>MTHeaded (cute screen name, btW!), I can completely relate. About being blonde, I mean. (Though I confess that, now that I am in my mid-40s, I get a little help with that. :))</p>

<p>Not to worry about sporadic typos. It's something that happens to us all. I think the purpose of the "grammar" thread was to remind students, particularly, that colleges will make note of how fluidly and adeptly they communicate on applications, and just because one aims to be a performer does not mean that one should not be literate!</p>

<p>LD</p>