Colleges looking for Asian diversity

Note also that “percentage” isn’t the whole story; the absolute numbers matter as well. A hypothetical large state university in the Midwest or South, for example, might have only 6% Asian-American enrollment, but if they have around 35,000 undergraduates, that would mean around 2,100 Asian-Americans in absolute terms. That’s still a relatively large number – in fact, it is more than the total enrollment of many LACs – so it might well be sufficient “critical mass” to sustain a significant number of Asian-oriented classes, cultural groups, etc.

In contrast, a hypothetical LAC might have only 2,000 undergraduates total, so 6% Asian-American enrollment (the same percentage) might mean only 120 others on campus, or maybe 30 per class. That’s obviously a much smaller number in absolute terms, and it might or might not be sufficient to start and successfully sustain Asian-oriented classes or clubs.

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My daughter drew a bunch of invitations to “diversity weekends,” etc. because she checked the Asian box on her applications. When I asked about diversity scholarships, we were told she was not eligible because she is Chinese. They are looking for Pacific Islanders (University of Iowa, for example). She did have excellent admission results for midwestern LACs light on Asians, but I can’t say she got any additional money beyond regular GPA/ACT merit.

@AlmostThere2018 Thanks!

@TiggerDad Oh that’s really cool! that sounds like a lot of fun!

My daughter didn’t look to be an URM and ended up at a school where it probably didn’t matter as there are plenty of international students.

However, just because she looks like the other Asians doesn’t make her culturally like them. She was raise American. She likes country music and Mexican food and surfer clothes. I asked her if she had interactions with other Asian students at school and she said the language differences were hard to overcome even for studying and group projects, and just entirely too much work for socializing.

She’d feel more at home at a school in Maine with 2% Asians than in Southern Cal with 30% if those in Cal were not raised as mainstream Americans.

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@momprof9904 i actually didnt, i was a little worried that someone would make me feel more worried and sad than i already am, sorry!
But my GPA isnt good especially compared to my peers, but also not dismal and i haven’t taken the official ACT yet, but will most likely be in the 30s (based of practice tests). I think I have a pretty decent resume (lots of bio research), recommendations, and essays. I’m an indian-american from the sf-bay area and my school is pretty competitive but i also dont think they will apply to too many LACs

I REALLY want to go to the east coast and I REALLY like LACs, but I also wanted to be a bio major and want enough research opportunities which i’m not sure LACs would have an abundance of (but I could just be naive about what’s offered)

Thanks for your interest!

@Corbett thats a great point!! ill definitely keep that in mind!
thank you so much!

@bobo44 ahh i see your point! ya thats an important distinction
thank you!!
Do you think it could help with admission (not for money)?

On another thread, I posted how some schools do consider Asian students for diversity fly-in programs, for example Wellesley (https://www.wellesley.edu/admission/diversity/flyin) and Vassar (https://admissions.vassar.edu/apply/diversity.html).
Check out Smith as well (https://www.smith.edu/women-distinction-program). I’m sure there are others you find with some Google searching.

I think the advice to go to look at East Coast and Midwest LACs is spot on. I’d look at a range of them, with some reaches, matches, etc. Many of these colleges are amazing and they just aren’t well known to HS kids in the Bay Area.

I have a D who is studying BioChem at an East Coast LAC. She has had plenty of research opportunities there - some CC posters seem to think that all research is done at large universities, but it’s not at all true. There are lots of LACs you can check out - some are stronger in science/math/Bio than others.

Check out Lafayette, Dickinson, Franklin and Marshall in PA. Are your parents okay with paying for an LAC? If they’re full pay, these types of colleges would run 65k and up per year.

Another reason that heavily factored into our decision making as to which school to commit to, the school with higher percentage of Asian-American student population, is our mutual desire that he eventually find his future spouse of the Korean descent – for various cultural reasons. My son knows very well the story of my own difficulties in finding a Korean spouse (his mom) in this country where people of the Korean descent only make up a fraction of the total population. Potential marriage prospects fly from here to Korea or from coast to coast in their attempt to find a spouse through the well-known tradition of third-party match-making. Here in the U.S., the online match-making services have popped up in recent years, but the traditional match-making has been a part of the Korean, other Asian, and even in Jewish and other cultures, since time immemorial.

In this country, such match-making poses a greater difficulty. Of course, many find their spouse through a romantic relationship, but finding a romance between a couple of the same cultural heritage isn’t easy. One thing I learned was that, once I was out of college and grad school without a future spouse because I wasn’t interested in nor prepared to marry at that particular time period, I suddenly found myself, when I did become interested in and prepared to marry, having to rely solely on a third party match-making because there weren’t anyone of my own cultural background anywhere near my vicinity.

In retrospect, I should have learned by examples of other Korean-American students when I was a resident at this great dormitory called International House while a grad student at Cal-Berkeley. I used to observe several Korean-American undergrad female students, fellow I-House residents, involved in potential spouse seeking behaviors that I used to haughtily dismiss as too “calculated” and too “pre-meditated” and all too obvious. These female students were, I’m sure, coached by their parents to find their future Korean husbands while in college. Very smart. Me, very dumb.

My son, on his own accord, wants to eventually marry a spouse of the Korean descent. The only thing I did was to use this additional criteria in helping to make the final college commitment, namely, higher Asian student population (there’s no separate Korean student population stats that I’m aware of). Obviously, there’s no guarantee that he’ll find one nor is there going to be any pressure placed on him to find one. But the odds are better finding one in a larger pool than small pool, although all you need is one.

For non-Asians, what I just described, I’m sure, comes as a highly foreign concept and may even find this distasteful the way I used to feel when I was at Cal. Even for the young generation of Asian-Americans. But you’d know what I’m talking about if you’ve been there and done that out of necessity in a foreign country. Trust me, it’s being very wise and smart.

@TiggerDad my hubby and I met at Berkeley I-house! Not Asian, though.

@washugrad

I was hoping that my post would grab the attention of fellow I-House alumni! I’m an I-House '86-'88. :slight_smile:

Remember? All the Asians eating on one side of the I-House dining hall and all the non-Asians eating on the other side, LOL!

I was there in '90-'91. We had a couple of Asian-American kids in our group but yeah, the kids from Asia tended to hang out separately. Did you grow up in the US or in Korea?

Once I mentioned on CC that while working at tech companies, whites and ethnic Chinese/Taiwanese/Korean/Japanese from both the US and overseas would go out to lunch together, while Indians would usually just go out to lunch with other Indians. The comment got removed. I suppose it wasn’t politically correct, although it was genuinely what I had observed.

Not really. A generation or few ago, there were laws in then-mostly-white US against interracial marriage, until Loving v. Virginia.

Presumably, such preferences to marry with race/ethnicity are still common, probably more so among parents than those who may marry, but it is now a private matter within families, rather than public law.

By standardized testing, over a dozen LACs place before the first UC in this analysis: http://www.businessinsider.com/the-50-smartest-colleges-in-america-2016-10. Though placements are based on simply one factor, this factor correlates fairly strongly with other academic aspects. If people were to judge you, then, they should judge you highly for attendance at any one of these highly selective LACs.

What you would find at a well-resourced LAC would be the availability of, quite literally, about four dozen courses in biology, including ones oriented towards research and research methodology, as well as in, for example, interdisciplinary, leading-edge topics such as bioinformatics.

@twoinanddone thats a really good point, yeah i definitely agree that i wouldn’t feel at home with the international kids even if we were the same skin tone. Thank you so much for pointing that out!

@Silverkey thats so great! thank you so much!! i had no idea that was a thing, ill definitely apply to those!! and I really liked all those schools too!