<p>So I was curious what other schools would be worth applying to that aren't necessarily inside the US. Please take a look at my stats and make suggestions:</p>
<p>Preferably, I'd like to go to a school in which English is the primary language, so you know, the UK, Canada, or Australia preferably. I'm also proficient in Spanish, but do not want to go to S. America, Central America, or Spain.</p>
<p>Firstly i’ll admit that i know zero about your American system cause i’m in the english system. I’m studying biological sciences at University College London; this link is the THES tables so you can see which english unis are high in the world. [Times</a> Higher Education](<a href=“Times Higher Education home | Times Higher Education (THE)”>World University Rankings | Times Higher Education (THE))</p>
<p>As i say i know nothing about your SAT, ACT things but as i’ve seen the likes of Harvard, MIT, Yale and Stanford being thrown about in that other thread it’s clear that you’re aiming for the top.</p>
<p>Anyway in england, Cambridge is the best for biology, you study the biological string of the natural sciences degree course which also allows you to minor in maths, chemistry, physics, geology etc.</p>
<p>Oxford is also very good; it offers a straight biological sciences degree which means that you only study biology. I know that you tend to major and minor in the states; we don’t usually in the UK.</p>
<p>After these is Imperial College London which to be honest is probably the better for teaching quality out of the uni in the UK. I actually got offered a place there but turned them down; they’re students are well known for having a bad social life.</p>
<p>Then University College London (UCL) would be ok for you; we rate quite highly internationally although only placing around 5th in the UK rankings. For biology we are pretty good but not as good as Cambridge, Oxford and Imperial.</p>
<p>Now, if i’m honest i wouldn’t bother trying to go to any other uni in the UK if you can get into Stanford in the US. Simply put Stanford is better than any uni in the UK minus Cambridge and Oxford and maybe Imperial. Stanford is definitely better than UCL. If you want to apply to some unis that are worse than Stanford in the UK but still amazing unis then look at Edinburgh Uni, St Andrews Uni, Warwick Uni, Manchester Uni, Bristol Uni, York Uni and Durham Uni.</p>
<p>I believe that McGill is good in Canada and Australian National University is good in Australia although again, i think that Stanford is better than them.</p>
<p>Thank you very much</p>
<p>How much are your parent’s willing to pay each year? You will not get any aid at most foreign schools.</p>
<p>You should be aware that, generally, the UK schools expect you to have a declared major when you matriculate and it is difficult to switch from said major. If you know what you want to study, great, if not, buyer beware.</p>
<p>“Now, if i’m honest i wouldn’t bother trying to go to any other uni in the UK if you can get into Stanford in the US. Simply put Stanford is better than any uni in the UK minus Cambridge and Oxford and maybe Imperial. Stanford is definitely better than UCL.”</p>
<p>Undergrads at Stanford get more opportunities than undergrads at Oxbridge. If you want to go into academia, Stanford=Cambridge=Oxford, but studying biology at Stanford would also open doors for you in the world of consulting, banking, law, etc. that undergrads studying biology at Oxbridge won’t easily get.</p>
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<p>I am loathe to reply to this thread because I know how aggressive people on this board get at any words that could possibly imply America is not the best in the world at everything in the history of all time (so if you’re going to do that, stop now, I’ve heard it all before. I am not writing an attack on the America people or nation. You are boring me).</p>
<p>I totally diagree with the statement quoted above in every way. The poster does not understand the UK system. In the UK, being academic and focussed onyour studies are the key valued attribute i getting into a good university and doing well when you are there. ECs count for nothing. It si true, as noted above, that in most cases you have to choose your subject of study (effectively your major) when you apply and cannot switch. However, this is the norm in the UK (and mostly the rest of the world outside the US). When you apply for jobs the vast majority of jobs do not care very much which subject the student graduated in. Some specifiy arts or science at most. </p>
<p>You can easily get an internship or job in banking, law, IT, consulting etc with a degree in any subject in the UK. It is most important to have a high grade from a highly ranked university. More traditional subjects are considered more difficult (I am not saying that they actually are. Just than if you study Maths it will be easier to get a job in banking than if you study fashion design. But neither route is impossible) so are more desired in the world of work. A student who gets a high grade 9there is just one grade at the end in the UK) has the choice of many industries irrespective of the subject they studied.</p>
<p>Maybe in the US your subject of study will extremely restrict your choice of jobs (my personal feeling is that it’s won’t, but I do not have any experience of this), but in the UK and rest of Europe at least it won’t. Feel free to google something like “UK graduate recruitment” and you will see how many vacancies are “any degree”. </p>
<p>Cupcake -Cambridge natural sciences graduate, Oxford Biotech PhD - now London lawyer!</p>
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<p>One place to start for information about educational opportunities in other countries is the Education Officer at the Consulate of Fill-in-country-name-here closest to where you live. That person will be able to help you get the information you need.</p>
<p>Cupcake is very correct-the UK system is very much like the American system- the better you school, the more the opportunities regardless of what you study. Infact it is too much like the US system</p>
<p>Cambridge, Oxford, Imperial, UCL, Warwick, Durham, Bristol, Edinburgh, St Andrews, New Castle, Manchester – in the UK</p>
<p>U fo Sydney, U of Melbourne and ANU – in Australia</p>
<p>You may also want to look into uniiversities in New Zealand. It’s a very nice country to study and live in.</p>
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<p>I cannot agree more. When I was working for an (American) IT company in London, we have recruits from Cambridge with non-IT undergrad degrees such as maths, physics, engineering, economics and english. We also have graduates of MORSE, maths and chemistry from Warwick and Manchester.</p>
<p>To the uneducated idiot who said that you’ll find it hard to get into banking, law, consultancy etc with a degree from a UK uni; most of Londons top firms are full of Oxford, Cambridge, Warwick, LSE, UCL and Imperial graduates. Or does any employer outside of America not exist in your stupid little world. Also, yes i agree that Stanford is better than UCL; however, when it comes to employment in the UK, most of the top 30 unis are on the same grounding anyway. A Cambridge graduate is not employed over a Leeds graduate for the basic reason that they came from Cambridge; work experience and whether the employer actually wants to work with the applicant is more important.
You then say ‘maybe Imperial’; have you ever been to the uni? It’s regarded by a lot of people here as better than Oxbridge in terms of teaching quality and research quality and the facilities are a lot better than what i saw at both Cambridge and Oxford.</p>
<p>To Cupcake; to get into IB in the UK you usually need to have a highly quanitative degree. There are also 6 target unis (Cambridge, Oxford, UCL, LSE, Imperial and Warwick) which if you graduate from you stand a much better chance of getting in. About 95% of spring weeks interns come from these 6 unis so it makes it easier for you if you go to one of them. Other unis that have a decent number of IB in the city are Edinburgh, Nottingham, St Andrews and Bristol but you have to be an extremely good candidate to get in from these unis.</p>
<p>Also Toronto is probably the best in Canada. Is not as difficult as any of the top US universities but it offers the same opportunities. McGill is decent but people still consider it the best in Canada even though this is a bit false.</p>
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<p>This is not the case in the US. At least 20 schools consist of the core FO roles in IB and no school can lay major claim except Wharton.</p>
<p>@sefago: Well, i clearly said ‘in the UK’; i’m not going to talk about any areas that i don’t have the knowledge to talk about; ie: American IB.</p>
<p>Out of interest; which unis in the UK have a decent number of bankers in your FO roles? and also can you list those 20 unis (schools) if you wouldn’t mind? I’m just interested in which unis are rated where in american employers minds btw.</p>
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The OP most likely doesn’t have a lock on Stanford, but if he did it is definitely better than Imperial and arguably better than both Cambridge and Oxford. </p>
<p>Unfortunately, overseas perception of British schools is often that they are not very “modern” universities. Largely, this is due to the fact they don’t have a long list of “modern” accomplishments such as a university like Stanford, which is located in Silicon Valley.</p>
<p>(Don’t get me wrong. There are many aging, formerly very influential and prestigious US universities as well but Stanford isn’t one of them.)</p>
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The problem is that the United Kingdom is the “little world” and not the United States. What British employers think shouldn’t matter.</p>
<p>Finding work and attaining permanent residency isn’t easy. This is ignoring the fact that the UK is a small little group of islands with only 61 million people.</p>
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Who cares about Imperial’s quality if you don’t live in Britain? Even in the United States, there are many obscure “prestigious” universities and I cannot stress enough that they don’t matter!</p>
<p>Employers do not look at college rankings. Going to a university like Imperial and then moving anywhere in the world aside the UK and maybe Europe and you’re as good as graduating from any other no-name university.</p>
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<p>Out of interest; which unis in the UK have a decent number of bankers in your FO roles? and also can you list those 20 unis (schools) if you wouldn’t mind? I’m just interested in which unis are rated where in american employers minds btw.
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<p>I was just pointing out that the US has more opportunity. IMO getting a job is the final goal of most undergraduates, so knowing how an employer views a school is important.</p>
<p>Look at this list it would help: [Feeder</a> Schools | WallStreetOasis.com](<a href=“http://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/feeder-schools]Feeder”>Feeder Schools | Wall Street Oasis)</p>
<p>That list seems Ok except remove Johns Hopkins and swarthmore, and add washington and lee to the southern schools. When it comes to consultancy firms like MBB then Williams, Amherst and Swarthmore are heavily recruited. MBB would focus more on schools at the top and then maybe take 1 or 2 students at the lower end. Firms with smaller consultancy arms like Accenture/Deloitte/KPMG would be focussed on lower top schools.</p>
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Who cares about Imperial’s quality if you don’t live in Britain? Even in the United States, there are many obscure “prestigious” universities and I cannot stress enough that they don’t matter!</p>
<p>Employers do not look at college rankings. Going to a university like Imperial and then moving anywhere in the world aside the UK and maybe Europe and you’re as good as graduating from any other no-name university.
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<p>Dpends on the country and the employer. Where I am from, most engineering companies think highly of imperial college. All the top companies would know of imperial. However a podunk employer even in the UK would not know of imperial.</p>
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<p>You are missing the point. The UK may be indeed small, but it has been a sea-faring, trading nation for over 500 years, with extensive links not only to continental Europe, but also to most of the outside world (the Americas, east Asia, India, Africa, Australia, you name it !). Precisely because the UK depends on international trade to survive (even to secure its food supply !), it is naturally a far less inward-looking country than the United States. On top of that, all major FTSE 100 companies (the UK’s biggest employers) are heavily globalized: most of their revenue comes from overseas operations outside the British isles.</p>
<p>@orca92-if by uneducated idiot you were referring to me, which I’m sure you were, then you obviously can’t even read English correctly. I wrote “but studying biology at Stanford would also open doors for you in the world of consulting, banking, law, etc. that undergrads studying biology at Oxbridge won’t easily get.” What’s wrong about that? Would Stanford open doors for you in the world of consulting, banking, law, etc.? Yes. Would a biology major at Oxbridge easily get top jobs in banking and law? No. Not even econ grads at HYP, Dartmouth, Columbia, etc. can claim to be able to easily secure jobs at elite firms.
When did I ever say it’s hard for grads from UK schools to get jobs in banking, consulting, and law? If you intentionally stated that I stated what I didn’t state, then you are a very sad person.</p>
<p>I completely agree with sefago. The US has a lot more job opportunities in banking.
For students at Ivies, Stanford, etc., when they need a break from school work to relax, they do an exchange term at Oxbridge; at least that’s what all my friends did at Stanford.</p>