<p>This post is very intriguing to me. Because it sort of defines what my son is looking for. He wants to go to an undergraduate school that will help him get into a great graduate school of business. NM commended scholar. 3.8 weighted g.p.a. Wants an undergraduate B-school. Extremely affable, goodlooking kid. Grade accelerated. I think he will do well in business. Hard classes in high school…b/c calc, ap chem, ap lit, apush, academy of finance…but certainly not straining himself…no matter how hard we “encourage”. VERY good at Call of Duty. Not a partier. Where the heck do we send this kid to school? We live in Indiana. Dad is a physician, mom is a Master’s degreed business manager. Love this kid to death, but needs a little inertia applied to his backside :)</p>
<p>Have to laugh at all the recommendations for Brigham Young and U of M. Those schools are very tough to get into. And we already have IU and Miami on the list. IU might be a little too big and crazy for him.</p>
<p>…BYU is harder to get into than IU or Miami? Really?</p>
<p>We’re in state for IU, so yes, with pretty good grades and great SAT’s…yes, IU will be likely…direct admit to their B-school is a different story. Very selective. Miami is a good school and a lovely campus, but really, I don’t think outside the midwest it is that well recognized…and it’s a state school. My son loves it, though. I think it may be “the place” for him. BYU, if you want to study business is very tough to get into. It’s also very very inexpensive…which likely explains a lot of the appeal…and the mormon faith has a strong emphasis on ethics which makes their business school unique.</p>
<p>^Oh, are you referring to Miami of Ohio? I thought you meant UMiami, the more well-known private in FL.</p>
<p>Your judgment of admissions probability is inconsistent, as you call IU a likely despite the fact that “direct admit to their B-school is a different story”–and then call BYU tough to get into for business. For one, comparing school admissions without further context defaults to arts and sciences; for another, if you want to compare B-school admissions, you have to do so across the board. Is IU’s business school more selective than BYU’s? I have no idea, since I’m not remotely interested in them.</p>
<p>IU’s business school selectivity for an out of state student is tougher than for an in state student. A 3.8 student from a blue ribbon high school with NM SATs is pretty likely. If you’re out of state, doubtful. I suspect that the same is true for Michigan. BYU is not a state school. You compete with a national pool. So yes, an Indiana kid with my son’s stats is more likely to get into IU than BYU. </p>
<p>I don’t know much about the U. of Miami, but it wouldn’t be a school high on the list for a kid interested in business.</p>
<p>I don’t mean to say that U. of Miami is bad for business. IU or Miami U. are more highly ranked. Miami U. is older than the U. of Miami …and bigger…so “more well known”? I don’t know. Miami U’s slogan is that they were a University before the other Miami was a city :)</p>
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<p>77% males admitted
63% females admitted</p>
<p>SAT CR 550-660
SAT M 570-680
Average CR/M 1280
ACT 25-30</p>
<p>49% in top 10%</p>
<p>It’s not exactly easy, but I would hesitate to call it “very tough.” Of course, the “seminary attendance” admissions factor might be a problem for some people.</p>
<p>You can get into BYU, but the undergraduate business school is top 5 . Not the same thing. Sure. Chances are great he would get in…but direct B-School admit…hmmm. Very risky.</p>
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<p>Any ranking that places BYU’s undergraduate business school in the top 5 is highly suspect…</p>
<p>Not to mention undergrad business is a rofl outside of the tip top places like Wharton</p>
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Maybe in the Midwest, but false for my area at least (Mid-Atlantic, not close to either school). Miami U is older and larger, but U of Miami is far more “popular” and well-known.</p>
<p>Again, you said absolutely nothing about business schools in your first post, which means that your opinion defaulted to arts & science.</p>
<p>More popular? More well-known? Totally subjective measurements. Keilexandra, if you read closely, you would have noted my son is specifically wanting an undergraduate B-school. He wants to major in accounting…because despite what the illustrious Skateboarder might think, an undergraduate business degree in accounting from a top 25 school will, in fact, land you a JOB! And if you earn a CPA, a reasonable INCOME! With or without grad school.</p>
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Apologies, it was not your first post. Still, if you make an isolated post, you should be prepared for that post to be taken as the ENTIRE context. BYU and Michigan were recommended in the default context of arts and sciences, not specific to your S’s desire for an undergrad business school.</p>
<p>I am indeed presenting subjective measurements, as evident by the qualifier “in my area at least.” You are free to disagree and I promise I won’t steal any exclamation marks from you in my response.</p>
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<p>No. Miami U. has a geographically ambiguous name, which hurts its popular recognition. When people hear “Miami U.,” they automatically assume Florida. The last thing they’d think is: “Oh, the one in Ohio…”</p>
<p>I can’t find BYU lower than a 10th place ranking for undergrad b-school anywhere. Unfortunately, they also really push the mormom faith at BYU…which is good and bad from our perspective. The mormons believe very much that “works” on earth get you into heaven…a perspective that makes for some very clean living people…that’s good…although it is not the protestant perspective. They push the mormon faith heavily at the school which is why it is so inexpensive to attend BYU. It’s a church mission. Still, my son is very very conservative by nature, so I think he would like the student body and would fit in. It’s on the list, but as bright as he is, it’s a stretch school for a 3.8 direct admit. He’s smart enough to go anywhere if he’d apply himself. He’s grade accelerated and in two-year advanced math. 9th in the state on the state math competition. But he’s not what I would call an overachiever. Kids are who they are ultimately.</p>
<p>I agree. Miami DEFINITELY has a geographically ambiguous name. But they weren’t named geographically. But they are still very well known. And Farmer School of Bus. is very highly ranked.</p>
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<p>So true…</p>
<p>What people fail to understand is that top (esp. i-banking/consulting/private equity) firms recruit based mainly on quantitative ability. The reason why Wharton as well as MIT (Sloan) are so highly regarded is not so much that they offer business training, but because they require strong quant skills.</p>
<p>All things being equal, a math/physics/engineering degree (or even a strong liberal arts and humanities background) from a top school is likely more desirable than an undergrad business degree from the perspective of a Fortune 500 employer.</p>
<p>^^Having a geographically ambiguous name leads to lower name-recognition for the very simple reason that prodigalson has already explained.</p>
<p>debrockman’s S doesn’t seem to be the Fortune 500 type, but rather a small-town accountant type–and we certainly need more of those. Wasn’t accounting on some list or another of underrated professions?</p>
<p>My son is 16 and applying to colleges because he is grade accelerated. He’s not sure where he wants to go ultimately with his career, but he’s thinking maybe an MBA from a top school. As an undergrad, since he is so young, he’d like to be somewhere that isn’t too much of a party school and he’s interested in business. He’s smart as hell, but his engineering relatives have explained to him that engineers start high and often go nowhere. Engineers are the first to be laid off in a bad economy and frankly, they are largely getting outsourced. How do I know? I work for an engineering consulting company. Most engineers, other than the very very smartest, who are often not that personable, have gpa’s that were lower than their peers because their education was much tougher. That is not an advantage for grad school…take it from me, someone who worked for a medical school in the admissions office. If you decide to go to med school, do NOT go to engineering school for the undergrad preparation. You’ll be better prepared and less likely to get accepted. And in this job market, high priced liberal arts degrees or generic science degrees prepare you for two things. Either more school or a $25,000/yr. job. That’s why he is thinking accounting. He’ll have a decent job while he goes to grad school and if he decides NOT to go to grad school, he will pursue a CPA. Truthfully, long term, I see him running a business as an entrepreneur.</p>