Congressional vs Senate nominations?

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<p>penquinz...
every congressman can nominate 10 people for one opening...and this applies to each academy...Generally that means one slot per academy per year, although this varies a little bit....some years there may be 2 openings per congressman, but these are rough numbers to help steer your curiosity. So, for general calculations...figure one slot opening per academy per congressman, which translates, if the congressman so wishes-- to 40 young people receiving a nomination to one of the 4 Service Academies ( Merchant Marine, West Point, Navy, Air Force)</p>

<p>In a state like Oklahoma...I would bet that very few congressman fill all those possible 'slots'.</p>

<p>Also - bear in mind that roughly 3500 or so get nominations to USNA from the Congressman and Senators , and roughly 1500 get Appointment Offers.</p>

<p>That may be all you're really going to need to know -</p>

<p>good luck!</p>

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<p>DrSnipes17:</p>

<p>Just a political reality check: Keep in mind that those who hold power are far from perfect, and even those who review applications and nominations at the academies are prone to giving priority to someone with a presidential or VP nomination. That's just the way it works in politics, even if no one will admit it. Someone with a pres. nomination to USNA, for example, will be a near shoe-in compared to the average Joe with a congressional nomination. The system is set up in an attempt to be impartial, but that only works 100% of the time in a perfect world.</p>

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Someone with a pres. nomination to USNA, for example, will be a near shoe-in compared to the average Joe with a congressional nomination.

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<p>That is not a true statement. Candidates with a Presidential nomination are competing in a pool for 100 appointments while candidates with a congressional nomination are competing in a pool for 535 appointments. The probability of receiving an appointment is much higher with a congressional nomination.</p>

<p>Furthermore, the Admissions Board sets aside a significant portion of the Presidential appointments for Naval Academy Foundation Scholarship candidates which makes this category even more competitive.</p>

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<p>ditto GA</p>

<p>Few and the Proud: Appointments don’t really work that way. Candidates compete within the catagory that they received their nomination from. Son had both a Senator and Congressman nomination. Wasn't eligible for Pres., SecNavy, or NROTC. and missed the deadline for VP. He is at the Academy through his MOC's nomination. In your senario he was an "average Joe" although he had his LOA (before nomination applications were due in the Congressional offices) and was guarenteed an appointment once he received any nomination. Where his nomination came from never entered into the offer of addmission. He just needed any nomination to seal the deal. You may think that I am naive, I would say realistic given that we went through the process and saw it work fairly.</p>

<p>Congressional Appointments:
Each member of Congress can have five constituents attending the Naval Academy at any time. They may nominate using one of the tree methods:</p>

<p>nominate 10 candidates for each vacancy, permitting the Naval Academy to evaluate and select them for admission on a competitive basis; </p>

<p>designate one principal nominee and nine other candidates as alternates, ranked in order of preference; or </p>

<p>nominate one principal nominee and nine other candidates as competitors, permitting the Naval Academy to select the alternate competitors for admission.</p>

<p>In each of these methods, one fully qualified nominee is offered an appointment to the Naval Academy to fill the vacancy. The remaining fully qualified nominees also are considered carefully, and many are selected for admissions to fill the entering class from a national competition of qualified alternates.</p>

<p>Presidential: One hundred candidates may be appointed with these nominations each year.</p>

<p>Vice Presidential: At any one time, five students may attend the academy based on a vice presidential nomination.</p>

<p>SecNavy: One hundred seventy appointments are available annually to regular and reserve Navy and Marine Corps enlisted personnel</p>

<p>Naval Reserve Officers Training Corps (NROTC, NJROTC,
MCJROTC), Honor Naval and Military Schools: Twenty appointments annually are available through nominations from these programs.</p>

<p>As you can see there are limits for each catagory. Even though the President can nominate an unlimited number of candidates, the Academy is bound by law to enforce the 100 appointment limit.</p>

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<p>GA, I'm not sure your figuring is correct, altho it may be. I believe we need to know the number of nominees in each (presidential and congressional) to know the "odds", don't we? Tell me where I'm off base ... and I have been once, maybe 2X. ;)</p>

<p>I think no matter what, your conclusion is correct, i.e. that congressional nominee has the higher probability of appointment, but we really don't know until we know the nominee numbers in the presidential pool. </p>

<p>As for the congressional nominees, they are competing primarily within their pool of 10 max it would seem, possibly fewer? And that assumes that all 10 would be triple Qed.</p>

<p>It seems from the numbers, that approximately 1700- 1800 of those congressional nominees do not become triple Qed, and the remaining 1800 do of whom roughly 1500 receive appointment offers. </p>

<p>I'm not sure there's sufficient information here, is there?</p>

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<p>WP,</p>

<p>In the Presidential category there are an unlimited number of nominations. That means that an unlimited number of candidates are competing for 100 appointments.</p>

<p>In the Congressional category there are at most 5,350 nominations. However, because of some states like N. Dakota, S. Dakota, Utah, Nevada, and Montana the number of nominations is much lower. Not all MOCs send in a full slate of ten nominees for each vacancy. For the Class of 2010, 3,751 applicants received nominations.</p>

<p>At today's USNA Open House in Washington, DC one of the BGOs stated in his briefing that if an applicant has a nomination and is qualified scholastically, medically, and in physical aptitude they have a 75 percent change of obtaining an appointment.</p>

<p>Looking at the Class of 2010, 1,888 of the candidates were qualified. Of those 1,888 candidates 1,510 received offers of admission. That translates to 79+ percent.</p>

<p>We were also told today that the various types of nominations carry no weight. A nomination is a nomination is a nomination.</p>

<p>The average combined SAT score is 1310. The SAT minimums as a general rule are Math: 600 and Verbal: 600.</p>

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Furthermore, the Admissions Board sets aside a significant portion of the Presidential appointments for Naval Academy Foundation Scholarship candidates....

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<p>not necessarily true. The foundation candidates, as well as NAPS, are expected to apply for, and obtain, a nomination from their MOC sources. What I will say is that the process is a bit easier for these candidates, as they already have a "seat" in the upcoming class.</p>

<p>As for minimum SATs, the candidates should try to achieve the hightest score they can.... 1200 should be considered a BARE minimum..... and while some candidates will gain appointments with a 1200 or so, as GA pointed out the 50th percentile will come in well above that, especially with math. Do try and get the hightest score possible on the SATs to stay competetive.</p>

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<p>does anyone know about what time will the 2 sen. from CA begin interviewing people?</p>

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<p>Thanks for sharing what seems to be the "critical" ratio/info for this thread/topic, i.e. working to get oneself qualified sholastically, medically, and physically. And then, altho not a linear process, get a nomination, any nomination. The primary is the optimal ... 100% chance of selection then but you can't do any better than your best. </p>

<p>But even if it's not the primary nomination, one stands a near 80% chance of selection if they've successfully completed the 1st 3 steps. Nearly half of those RECEIVING and a whole lot fewer of those seeking a nomination will never become triple Qed. Only 1888 of 3500 nominees.</p>

<p>Againwhat the figures reveal include the fact that nearly half of those who receive a nomination don't become qualified.</p>

<p>And most of all, it emphasizes to candidates, do your best work, get in good shape, stay healthy, get your paper work done as early as possible, and study/practice for your nomination interviews. Then quit worrying, especially about those things that cannot be controlled. </p>

<p>A genuine prayer never hurts either.</p>

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<p>Seairland,
The CA Senators websites instructed "don't call us, we'll call you". We did have one friend that called and was told by one senator staffer (unnamed for this thread) "we nominate the needy not the greedy". I guess we live in the wrong county. Ouch! We still are following up on the other sources of nomination.</p>

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<p>Seairland, socaldreamer is correct - that is our experience from last year - But I do know from last year that it was in the Nov./Dec window that this occurred. There is a mom here USNA09 who's daughter was one of our CA Senator's principal nominee's for the Class of 09 - but again - the Senator's office chose her. We also know that for the USAFA Class of 08 one of our friends' sons was the principal nominee from the same Senator and guess what? He did NOT get an Appointment to USAFA. He had to wait it out for a year, reapply for the Class of 09, then use his Congressman's nomination and is now a proud member of the USAFA Class of 09 - so don't think a Senator's nomination is a shoe-in either. Give your local Congressman's office the best packet you can, and then give the best interview with him that you can and as Whistlepig says, add a genuine prayer that you do your best and may God bless your efforts.</p>

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<p>^^^^^^

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We also know that for the USAFA Class of 08 one of our friends' sons was the principal nominee from the same Senator and guess what? He did NOT get an Appointment to USAFA.

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<p>This candidate didn't received an appointment because he wasn't qualified. All principal nominees receive appointments if they are qualified.</p>

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<p>Is it true that the majority of people who are found not qualified after they receive there nominations are found so because of medical reasons?
Anyone know any numbers on that?</p>

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<p>GA....this app was a CAP Spaatz Cadet ---meaning he was a Cadet Colonel....the highest rank in Civil Air Patrol. He had leadership training up the wazoo. He was our Cadet Commander of our Squadron. He had travelled to Japan as an exchange student. He had high SAT's. He had dotted all the i's....when he reappeared the next year before his Congressman's board they said: "What are YOU doing here? We thought we sent you to the Academy?" "Yes, sir, I thought so too" was this young man's sheepish reply. Bottom line? To this day no one seems to know what happened with this. We think it may have simply been a numbers game that year at USAFA. His perserverence is what finally got him in, though and that is an important message for all those hoping for an Appointment.</p>

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<p>^^^^^^
peskemom,</p>

<p>Title 10, United States Code clearly states that if a candidate is the principal nominee and he/she is fully qualified, the nominee will be offered an appointment to the Naval Academy to fill a vacancy for that member of Congress. If that principal nominee is not offered an appointment it means that he/she was not qualified either academically, medically, or physically. Having a stellar record does not mean that an individual is fully qualified.</p>

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<p>GreatAmerican is correct and the senator's letter reiterates this fact. My mid had already received a triple Q'd letter from USNA and a nomination from our MOC when she received the senator's nomination. I wonder if the USAFA applicant that peskemom mentioned had some unresolved DODMERB issues. I'm surprised that such a qualified candidate didn't get an LOA from USAFA. It just doesn't add up.<br>
Can't wait to hear the good news about GA's son! :)</p>

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Is it true that the majority of people who are found not qualified after they receive there nominations are found so because of medical reasons?
Anyone know any numbers on that?

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<p>Don't have any numbers to support his, other than what gets circulated around. Candidates with nominations and appointments have been dropped up to, and including, I-Day for various reasons, the most being medical. Sustain an injury prior to I-Day that will prevent you from participating in plebe summer activites and you are out. (lots of discussion on the need for "bubble wrap" in the spring of last year for this very reason). Have something show up on a blood test (illicit or legitimate) from the vials they take from you on I-Day and you can find yourself headed home. Fail the test for colorblindness. Get some failing grades the last sememster of senior year. Then there is the whole other catagory of plebes that arrive only to realize this is not what they expected, and leave voluntarily. That is another whole discussion. </p>

<p>Lots can happen. Lots does happen. </p>

<p>Like our son was told, "now (senior year) is not the time to take up football," "no skiiing over winter," etc. Honest to goodness, that is what he was told. Thus, we sweated out his final lax season...."take it easy" we told him....not a chance in heck that was happening....thank goodness it was injury-free.</p>

<p>Nothing, nothing can be taken for granted, up to and including I-Day, plebe summer, plebe year, and from what I have heard, every year thereafter all the way up until that cover is tossed in the air and you are commissioned. </p>

<p>So welcome to the wildest roller coaster ride of your life- the admissions process is just the tip of the iceburg! Worth it? You bet.....ask any Mid or alumni. </p>

<p>Best of luck to all of you! :)</p>

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<p>Ok, GA, I called the dad in this equation to make sure I wasn't crazy. Yes, his son at Sen. Feinstein's principal nomination for the Class of 08 USAFA, plus a MOC nomination. He was fully qualified as far as anyone knew. </p>

<p>After much questioning later the only thing anyone from USAFA could tell him was that that year they had 16,000 applications, a spike higher than any other year.The guess is that that year, his son's medical had a 20/60 vision report and they had so many 20/20's that it was the easiest way to simply cull out the overwhelming numbers of applications, nominations and all.</p>

<p>Even though his ALO ( The Air Force equivalent of our BGO) told him that chances were highly unlikely that once rejected this candidate would be accepted....the perseverance of the kid payed off, and he is a proud member of the Class of 2009.</p>

<p>Message to us one and all???? Don't give up even after a rejection if your heart is wanting an Appointment to USNA.....work hard and try again and good luck, God speed! :-)</p>

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The guess is that that year, his son's medical had a 20/60 vision report...

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<p>There's your answer. He was medically disqualified because of his vision. The service academies have no obligation to grant medical waivers. Either you are qualified or you aren't. End of story.</p>

<p>One of Senator Frankenstein's qualified alternates got the appointment. That's the way the system works.</p>

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