<p>Cornell vs. Duke vs. John Hopkins. Which school would you rather go to out of the three? I am planning on going the pre-med route so which school would be better in terms of a higher GPA, more undergrad research opportunities, better prep for medical school, less stressed-out students, better campus?</p>
<p>All three will give you the opportunities to excel as a premed. But, they are not similar in location, size, weather, etc. Which one do you think you'd like more?</p>
<p>In order:</p>
<p>1) Hopkins</p>
<p>Hopkins has no doubt, the best preparation for medical school in the US, if not in the world. The research opportunities are endless - besides the fact that they boast a near 90% admit rate to medical school for first time applicants (!). It's the smallest of the schools you listed as well and has no academic core curriculum - which is a relief for most students. The campus is social, in a city, out-going (much has changed since the 90's) and has many different types of students, most of them NOT being science majors - I was impressed when I saw this and learning the most popular majors were in International Relations and Engineering. </p>
<p>2) Duke</p>
<p>Duke offers a challenging curriculum with a great hospital. The campus boasts a strong academic reputation and sports galore. A fun environment but is somewhat isolated from a major urban city. Freshmen live on a separate part of campus from upperclassmen which can detract from the overall experience. </p>
<p>3) Cornell</p>
<p>Cornell enrolls about 3,200 students a year for an entire student body of more than 12,000. It is the largest of the three and naturally the most rural. Preparation is rigorous. The medical school, however, is in New York city so opportunities for pre-health related issues have a tougher time gaining access to those resources. </p>
<p>Good luck.</p>
<p>1) Duke (social life + incredible placement. Not too deflating.)
2) Cornell
3) John Hopkins (Only really helps the top 5% of the JHU class. Non-competitive students drop out/ encouraged not to apply to med school ensuring a deceiving med school accept rate. Also way too much deflation, competitive and unfriendly students, etc). You can get just as much out of duke, get better grades, and have more fun.</p>
<p>I think all pre-med programs have a sort of weed-out process. Cornell just received a $400 million gift, much of which is to enhance biology education on the Ithaca campus including a new bio building.</p>
<p>You can't go wrong at any of those three schools. Very different campuses and locations. They all have a social life, but different.</p>
<p>@slipper1234
Is is not a good thing that some gets weeded out? There is really no need for wanna be premed students in this country.</p>
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<li>JHU/Duke; JHU is just good at anything science, especially medicine. Duke has the prestige and overall feel.</li>
<li>Cornell</li>
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<p>First the statistics, then the reasons.</p>
<p>85% of our premeds get into a medical school; this compares to a national number of around 50%, sometimes lower. (Yes, that does mean that half of all students who apply to medical school will be admitted nowhere whatsoever.) Most comparable schools boast rates that are noticeably lower than that. I can't guarantee this, but I believe people on these boards have been mentioning that Stanford's percentage is about 75%. Of course, Stanford also has to deal with the UC system, so the comparison isn't exact, but I frankly can't imagine anybody preparing us for the process better than Dean Kay Singer and her office.</p>
<p>Second, if you look, you'll notice that the average GPA among our accepted premeds at a given medical school is lower than the national GPA among accepted premeds, and lower than the GPA at some "peer" institutions. This tells you that students from Duke who have WORSE grades are getting into the SAME medical schools as others. Why?</p>
<p>A few reasons.</p>
<p>1.) We have access to a world-class medical center. It's close and we're actually allowed - and helped! - to do stuff in it. Some schools like Columbia don't have their hospitals nearby, so it's difficult for students to volunteer or do reseach there. Not only is it literally like two minutes from the dorms to the hospital (walking), but Duke has programs explicitly set up (HCIP) to get undergraduates volunteering in the hospital.</p>
<p>2.) Astonishingly wonderful advising systems. We have famous premedical advisors. I've ranted about this a little bit on a thread relating to UCB in the Premed topics forum (Berkeley is a good place to pursue pre-med?) but the bottom line is that advising is both key and really wonderful here. They've earned their reputation as being among the best in the country.</p>
<p>This is reflected in their numbers.</p>
<p>3.) World-class faculty in small classes. Duke's philosophy in hiring faculty is that we want absolutely brilliant faculty on the cutting edge of their fields, and we will put up with almost anything to get them. The one thing we will not put up with, however, is an unwillingness to make teaching their absolute top priority. That means that the faculty we have here love students and will go far out of their way to make sure we learn. This means partly that we learn better, which helps us once we actually get into med school, but it also means that we get better letters of recommendation, which are huge.</p>
<p>This to me is the most important point: Yes, there are schools with similarly or perhaps even more qualified faculty as leaders in their fields. But at what other school do undergraduates have real, worthwhile access to those leaders on a routine basis? Where else will a health economist who is cited repeatedly in every textbook hold multiple review sessions, some of them on Sunday evenings, just to make sure we really learn the stuff? Where else will a world famous chemist respond to freshmen questions via e-mail during his Thanksgiving day? Some schools have wonderful faculty who will do this - but I don't think any of them will top us in the access we have to brilliance.</p>
<p>4.) An encouragement to pursue co-curricular activites. And yes, I did just call them co-curriculars rather than extra-curriculars. Duke understands that we're training young men and women here, not just scholars, and so I've never heard of a student here who had anything short of astonishing extracurriculars. I'm a tour guide, and I make it a habit when I'm on my tours to mention the accomplishments of the various students I run into - I can afford to do this because Duke students are simply astonishing. Friends of mine have discovered new chemical structures, signed up for internships with the bioterrorism department of the government - it seems everybody has something incredible that they view as normal because that's what Duke students do.</p>
<p>We have a department entirely for the purpose of helping students arrange interesting, educational, or service-oriented (but usually all three) summer projects.</p>
<p>This is crucial - medical schools need good qualifications, yes, but they are also looking for people who will make good doctors. People who have shown themselves to be committed to helping others, who can dive into the intellectualism known as research, and who have proven that their interest in health is more than just "hypothetical" are standout candidates.</p>
<p>5.) Warmth. Premeds here - knowing that we will all do well in the process - learn together. You won't hear of us stealing each other's notes or sabotaging projects. We study together. We encourage each other. Frankly speaking, we take care of each other. Duke students are warm, and we will support each other through rough times along the premedical track. Is this a stereotype? Absolutely. Has it proven true for me? Also absolutely.</p>
<p>6.) Location in the research triangle. This is one of the more minor points, but our location amongst the high-powered pharmaceutical companies does make it easier to attract biotechnology-oriented professors, faculty, companies, internships, etc. Duke Medical Center attracts a lot of exciting research for this purpose, and that may impact the premedical experience somewhat.</p>
<p>That doesn't even begin to talk about reputation, courses that prepare you for the MCAT, a pre-professional slant at Duke (which is good for pre-professional students like pre-meds), really world class science buildings like the French Science Building and CIEMAS, a commitment to genomics and science as a future, the interdisciplinary focus of most of our science programs, including medical humanities classes and the excellence of our biomedical engineering... I could go on and on but it's late and I'm getting sleepy
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<p>Duke, Hopkins, Cornell.</p>
<p>In all honesty, what warblersrule86 says is true for any of the top 15 schools really - no major differences - just depends which fits you right. </p>
<p>Access to a world-class medical center.
Astonishingly wonderful advising systems.
World-class faculty in small classes.
An encouragement to pursue co-curricular activities.
Warmth.
Location in the research triangle/access to research facilities.</p>
<p>If you can get into any of them, then it's personal - you'll have a great shot at any med school from those three schools.</p>
<p>"In all honesty, what warblersrule86 says is true for any of the top 15 schools really - no major differences - just depends which fits you right."</p>
<p>You don't say!</p>
<p>wait, slipper1234 says that JH has too much grade deflation? Is JH known for a tough premed curriculum?
would you guys consider Duke to have the least grade deflation out of these three schools?</p>
<p>You can't go wrong at any of the 3 in a pre-med curriculum. I would make my decision based on which place you enjoy the most, where you feel most at home. The 3 are so different that you can't feel the same about all. If you take this route you'll thrive, get a good GPA, and subsequently get into med school. (Remember pre-med is just physics, inorg/organic chem, bio, and some calc, any school can be pre-med then, so go beyond the narrow focus of that and look at where do I want to be for what's suppose to be the four most enjoyable yrs of my life.)</p>