<p>I do NOT care about prestige.... this is only an undergrad school so i think that the quality of education is more important. when it comes to grad school the prestige factor mite help to get jobs... but for now i just care about quality of education</p>
<p>i dun see how the "quality" of education can be better at UMICH</p>
<p>i agree. </p>
<p>if accepted, I think Cornell would be a fantastic opportunity that you should really look into. Academically it's very very hard to beat, but the social scene is also excellent and there's some excellent opportunities to do research in engineering as an undergrad.</p>
<p>Which one is harder to get admission though? umich or cornell? This is for international ok</p>
<p>most likely Cornell.</p>
<p>Oh ok, so if i was not admitted to UMich we can possibly say that i wouldnt be admitted at cornell either since it is harder to get in?</p>
<p>Not really. College admissions is a funny business. By that logic, Harvard acceptees should be also be admitted to any other college that they choose; but this is far from the actual case.</p>
<p>By that i mean...... if i was to apply to both umich and cornell... i would have higher chance of being admitted to umich than cornell yes? (college of engineering)</p>
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<p>Statistically, yes.</p>
<p>I thought Id throw my 2 cents in on this one. I am a parent of a UM-AA elec eng graduate (D) and a parent of an ED accepted Cornell elec eng student starting this fall (S). We are in-state Michigan. As to admission, Ds academic stats were better than Ss by a decent margin. She was also accepted at Carnegie Mellon, waitlisted at Stanford, but rejected by Cornell. S had an athletic angle and better work related experience (but otherwise comparable ECs to D) and, frankly, we were a little smarter about the process the 2nd time around. But I think you will find that getting into UM as an out of state student is on par (as to difficulty) with Cornell. Job opportunities for D were great she is working for Fortune 100(?) company. Her classmates are literally around the world, every big (and many small) company appears to visit the UM campus to recruit. Many students also pursue big time grad school routes. There are also many, many internationals at UM. Research opportunities were all low-lying fruit, almost too many to count. D also took a course at UT-Austin and I think fair to say she found that school a notch down. The downsides to UM? I think one is the larger, impersonal nature of the classroom experience. We have not yet experienced Cornell first hand, but I believe that there may be a little more of a personal touch to the learning experience. That is not to say that profs, TAs, etc were unavailable at UM, but you probably have to be willing to go out and get that help and attention, if you need and/or want it. Another down side may be that you will encounter some less capable students at UM the eng school is larger (I think) than Cornell. Some of this is a result of reaching more deeply into the applicant pool; part also a result of being a state school and needing to cover your political bases. But if you look at the top, say half, or so of the UM class, you will find exceptional students comparable in almost every respect to Cornell students (save possibly the depth of their bank accounts). Another down side to UM, particularly in the mech E side, is the heavy auto influence to that curriculum at UM. While it is true that many transplants are setting up engineering centers in Mich and cross fertilizing UM, you are still talking about the auto industry. Dont get me wrong, not everyone from UM ends up in an auto related industry (D did not), but you cant escape its influence around here. One poster mentioned the state support risk for a UM, but I wouldnt worry too much about that. UM of course receives state support, but also has huge endowments and other sources of funds. One other plus for UM might be the area you are much closer, if not within, a major metropolitan area in Ann Arbor, compared to Ithaca (dont believe all the negative crap about Detroit). But as college towns, standing alone, both seem comparable to me, with frat scenes, bar scenes, sports, etc. UM a bigger time athletic environment than Cornell, if that is important, but the difference is not as great as it would be at, e.g., Harvey Mudd. Weather crappy in both locations. Bottom line is that you wont go wrong in either place, academically or as to future job or grad school opportunities, but you need to drill down a little to figure out what features are most important to you. Or thats how I see it.</p>
<p>here's my 2 cents:</p>
<p>umich is a great school and highly underrated. usnews doesn't do it justice because it's a public school. just look at berkeley...usnews puts it as 20 in the nation when many other rankings put it as top 5 in the world. i would think it's engineering and business programs are better than those of cornell's, as they are both ranked higher.</p>
<p>as for admissions, umich honors is not exactly easy to get in. it's only for the top 10% of admitted students. out of state admissions are a lot harder...probably around 30-40% admissions rate. i'm also an international student and i applied both umich and cornell engineering. i was admitted umich honors LSA and will find out about cornell at the end of the month.</p>
<p>as for quality of education, i honestly don't know which is better, but i doubt cornell's is that much better. if anything, they're pretty equal. just my thoughts...</p>