<p>“Penn sucks so does Brown…”</p>
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<p>being pre-med are you interested in just the core basic requirements? b/c any school will do just fine for that…</p>
<p>as far as english i would see what field of english interests you and look at the professors CVs to see which look more interesting (same thing for art) </p>
<p>some professors dwell in nihilism others in gender studies…</p>
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<p>While most of Muerte’s inflammatory statements have been dealt with extensively in the past (see for instance, this thread, <a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/cornell-university/581958-upenn-vs-cornell.html?highlight=upenn+cornell+muerte[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/cornell-university/581958-upenn-vs-cornell.html?highlight=upenn+cornell+muerte</a>), it’s interesting to note that she still can’t get her facts straight. Cornell has an entering class size of 3,050 students and a freshman retention rate of 96 percent – which means that roughly 120 students don’t return to East Hill after their freshman year after. </p>
<p>My only suspicion is that muerte must still be reeling from a) Penn’s frustrating basketball season, or b) the fact that FOUR students from the school with “lower intellectual wherewithal” were awarded Goldwater scholarships this year (the most – tied with MIT, and two from CALS, to boot) while Penn students were awarded zero.</p>
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<p>I really think that this should be your only consideration. Please let us know if you have any questions on Cornell’s student body or campus culture.</p>
<p>As for “your fellow Hotelies, ILRies, Hum Ec, and CALS students”…</p>
<p>The truth is, as I sit here, an old guy, some of the most successful people of my cohort at Cornell graduated from these schools. There is a guy who owns & manages several of NYC’s most successful restaurants; a number of partners in major Wall Street law firms; professors of Biology, doctors, veterinarians,even Keith Obermann- all graduates of these schools, and quite successful.</p>
<p>These colleges are quite selective in their own right; they are hardly the village idiots, even as an aggregate. But moreover, every distribution contains not just a mean, but also a standard deviation. There are a good number of people at these schools who are in the upper tier of the whole university. In fact, they are so smart that they got themselves a top-flight education for considerably less money.</p>
<p>Each of these colleges is the very best place of its kind to pursue studies in its respective area. And good students from these colleges do as well as anybody for post-graduate studies. Colleague’s kid is just graduating Hum Ec, next stop: med school. 30% of ILR class goes on to law school. And the presence of these colleges enhances what is available to be learned at Cornell in aggegate.</p>
<p>And provides good ice cream, and a good hotel on campus.</p>
<p>Some people prefer a more homogeneous environment, some people prefer diversity and more social and academic options. To each their own.</p>
<p>I know my best friend at Cornell, an engineer, was not much harmed by the presence of the Hum Ec shool. Where his wife-to-be was studying. And I am appreciative of the three excellent courses I took in CALS. And regret not fitting in HDFS with Bronfenbrennner, and wine tasting, among others.</p>
<p>What is your religious affiliation? You should select the school that best represents your cultural/faith background.</p>
<p>That possibly would be a greater point of distinguishment if one was choosing between Notre Dame, Bob Jones University, Brigham Young, and Yeshiva.</p>
<p>Especially considering that two of the institutions were both nonsectarian universities founded by Quakers.</p>
<p>“Brown was known as the worst Ivy until the 70’s”</p>
<p>No, Penn was definitely the worst Ivy when my parents and aunts and uncles were applying to school.</p>
<p>I also find it interesting how muerteapablo decided where she wanted to go to college based on a marginal difference between Cornell’s and Penn’s subsections that SHE WAS NOT EVEN PART OF. So, basically, she didn’t like Cornell because she thought the people in the other schools were “dumb,” and she went to Penn because the people in Wharton are “smart,” despite not being in either of these schools herself. And, on top of that, she somehow believes this will impact how others view her, when in fact employers view A&S at both schools as exactly the same, and to the average simpleton, Cornell is a more prestigious name than Penn. </p>
<p>So why did I choose Cornell over Penn? I see (and everyone else sees) A&S as equal at both institutions, I preferred Cornell’s rural campus to Penn’s urban campus, I didn’t like the attitudes of many people at Penn, and Cornell hockey>the disaster that Penn basketball has become.</p>
<p>But I still think brown is best. I gave
Brown 100 points
UPENN 70
CORNELL 50</p>
<p>I do not think UPENN , CORNELL should belong to IVYs, they are more like DUKE, WUSL, NW…
than HYP, COLUMBIA, DARTMOUTH, BROWN.</p>
<p>I gave
DARTMOUTH 5000 POINTS
COrneLL 48566 POINTS
PENN -135 points
HOGWARTS 55664300 POINTs</p>
<p>I AM THE SCOREKEEPER of all the IVYs and deteRMINE WHICH are MORE LIKE DUKE AND wustl AND WHICH are more LIKE HARVARD. BROWN should Not belong to IVYs, and yes, “IVYs” is a single entity that owns A FEW PRESTIGIOUS institutions. I ALSO capItALIZE random LETTERS</p>
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<li><p>The Ivy League is an athletic conference. </p></li>
<li><p>Unless you’re talking about liberal art “style” of the school instead of substance, you can’t really make the argument that they don’t belong when UPenn and Cornell are consistently ranked higher than Brown. </p></li>
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<p>I think it’s hilarious that Muerte cited Ann Coulter. Says it all right there. It’d be nice if she’d just move on and embrace her new life rather than coming back to reinforce her belief that she transferred to a better school. But, I suspect that the closer their admit rates get, the more we will see of her trying to draw a distinction.</p>
<p>applejack,</p>
<p>good comments.</p>
<p>thanks</p>
<p>Dear OP, I am sorry that this has turned into a cornell V penn war that has NOTHING to do with your interests in either school. That being said, it was the penn students who came on the Cornell board to bash cornell, and used weak arguments to support their school. I am not going to say that the penn students here are indicative of the type of students that penn admits, but I will say that the Penn students here would actually have dissuaded me from choosing penn. I actually think that you should chose Brown because you are pre med. I love cornell, and I think you would too, but Brown has a much higher med school acceptance rate than Cornell does and in the end, you want to be a doctor. Brown is known for grade inflation, and that will help BIG TIME in med school admissions. All of the dick measuring aside, I advise you go to Brown.</p>
<p>As Tbone mentioned above, if you’re premed, Brown is the way to go. They don’t give grades lower than a C and you can take any class you want to pass/fail. It’s probably very easy to get a 3.7+ at Brown and this will help you dearly in med school admissions.</p>
<p>To Muerteapablo and Ilovebagels: You have no right to brag or put down other schools coming from Penn’s CAS. Transfer to Penn’s real crown jewel, Wharton, and then come back and talk trash… maybe I’ll put up with your crap then. Maybe.</p>
<p>what are those penn’s kid’s majors?</p>
<p>Last I hear, muerte was linguistics, I dunno what Ilovebagles is.</p>
<p>Again, I’d like to thank everyone who contributed. </p>
<p>@3togo – I might try that flip a coin-see your reaction thing. I’ll see how the visits go first… Thanks!</p>
<p>@ResurgamBell – That’s a good suggestion. I haven’t really found one area that I like more than another area…I know some like the classics…others American lit…I just like taking apart a book or piece and analyzing the language. I appreciate the art of writing and love to pick out the different rhetorical elements and see how they can enhance the content of the piece. Maybe in college, when I’m exposed to more areas, I’ll find a favorite.</p>
<p>@Tboonepickens – It’s alright. I’m a bit sad my thread turned into a mini-war, but I know both are great schools and am not taking the little things into mind.</p>
<p>@Cornellian2011 – I’m not sure if I want to go to Brown just for that reason. I like that the system Brown has set up encourages curiosity in different areas, but I’d like to believe that I could get a good GPA anywhere I go if I worked hard enough.</p>
<p>One thing I am somewhat worried is the supposed grade deflation at Cornell, especially since I know I need a great GPA for med school. Is it fact or myth? And if it is fact, to what extent? Is it reasonable and fair grade deflation where you need to really work for an A and not just do the bare minimum or is it the type of deflation where students who deserve a good grade won’t receive it? I don’t mind working hard to get that A, but I also would like to have a life outside of classes too. Could a current Cornellian or recent alum shed some light on this for me?</p>
<p>Anyway, besides all that, my parents are going to talk to the fin.aid offices at Penn tomorrow. Hopefully, they made a mistake with my fin.aid or it might just be down to Brown or Cornell…=</p>
<p>I guess I should mention, since I let you guys know I am premed, that I got into Johns Hopkins as well. I haven’t really considered it too much (and left it out of the first post) due to the cutthroat reputation. I’m not sure that’s the type of environment I want in my undergrad years…But it might just be myth. My friends have been discouraging me, but I’m visiting Hopkins anyway.</p>
<p>I’d choose Brown over the other two.</p>
<p>Cornell does not have near the grade deflation they claim to. They have fairly average grades. I think CAS median is like, 3.2 or something like that. And if you get above a 3.85, which a number of people on this board have, you are almost guaranteed acceptance to a top 25 med school. Regardless, Brown does have inflation, and that helps a lot with med admissions. I would STRONGLY consider brown if you like the hippy habitat there. You would end up working less at brown for the same GPA at cornell. (and this is coming from a kid who hates brown)</p>
<p>Reflecting on my view of Hopkins…How friendly/competitive are students at each school (Brown, Cornell, UPenn, and (if you know) Hopkins)?</p>
<p>@Tboone I’ll keep that in mind,thanks. I’m not really hippy…I’m pretty much in the middle with my views. </p>
<p>General question: Are med schools aware about the difficulty at different colleges…or is a GPA just a GPA regardless of your school?</p>