Cornell vs. USC

<p>USC vs. Cornell
Note: Similar thread posted in USC forum, for balance.</p>

<p>Well, after a long process, I'm finally down to two schools: USC and Cornell, and I need a little input to help me choose. Let me start by saying that I highly respect both schools, and a lot of the pros and cons and stuff are stereotypes that I would like to have corrected, but are things that always come up when I talk to people about these two schools.</p>

<p>Major and Special Programs:
At USC, I am in Viterbi majoring in Biomedical Engineering, and I want to minor in something but I don't know what yet (not necessarily science or engineering related). I am a trustee scholar, I'm in the W.V.T. Rusch undergraduate engineering honors program (special courses, seminars, retreats and special advising), and I am a Research Scholar which allows me to be involved with research and earn up to $3000 per year starting freshman year and continuing every year. I have to maintain a 3.0 or a B average to keep all of this.</p>

<p>At Cornell, I am in the CALS studying Bioengineering and I would also like to do a minor here that could be, but doesn't need to be related to engineering. I am a Meinig Family Cornell National Scholar, which is leadership based and allows me to work on a large project within Cornell and be mentored by an administrator (including possibly the president or vice president of Cornell). I need a 2.7 to stay in the Meinig program.</p>

<p>Finances:
USC is much better. Because of the trustee scholarship and outside scholarships so far, it would cost me about 14,000 total each year, and I could still apply any additional outside scholarships I get.</p>

<p>Cornell would cost about 33,000 each year because of need-based grants, and any future scholarships I get would make no difference because they would simply take away my grant aid.</p>

<p>Both of these costs are without any loans.</p>

<p>Gut Instincts:
I love USC's school spirit and emphasis on well rounded engineers. I love how easy it is for engineers to minor inside or outside of viterbi, and how much the school works with engineers to facilitate study abroad and other opportunities. I visited and felt very happy and excited and I really like the university as a whole, and if rankings didn't exist, I would most likely go to USC (and the price difference doesn't hurt it)</p>

<p>I recently visited Cornell and was impressed with how hard working the students are, but it was also really, really easy to see how stressed out a lot of the students were. They said they were happy and they have fun, but it seemed like the depression to happiness ratio was a little high. Granted, I visited right before prelims, but I was also told that the average engineer's GPA is a 2.7 which seems depressing in its own right. I feel like I would fit really well here, but my gut is still saying USC.</p>

<p>Other Pros (things that matter to me):
USC:
+More relaxed attitude (perceived)
+Encourages well rounded engineers
+They seem happy and very willing to work with engineers on double majoring, minoring, and studying abroad
+Weather!
+LA is an interesting/exciting city
+School Spirit (wow!)/Everyone I met there LOVES USC
+Trojan Network
+The computer science(gaming) and related minors sound really cool</p>

<p>Cornell:
+Higher Ranked (as a school and in Bio/Biomedical engineering)
+Stronger Peers? or maybe more academically focused?
+More programs in conservation/environment
+Alumni Network/is an ivy
+Safer Area
+Very beautiful campus
+Food!</p>

<p>Please feel free to tell me that something I think (or have been told) is way off base</p>

<p>BIG QUESTION:
-Cornell is ranked higher both as a school and for biomedical engineering, but I'm not sure how much that really matters. How much do ranking and prestige really matter for grad schools or for getting a job, considering the special programs I'm in at each school and the price difference in my undergrad education?</p>

<p>Well lemme debunk a few myths.</p>

<p>It’s bull that the avg. engineering GPA is a 2.7 (absolute bull)
Also, Cornell very much encourages well rounded engineers. As a CALS BEE student, you would have access to courses in all of the other schools. Granted most of your courses will be required to be taken in CALS, but that doesn’t limit you from taking courses elsewhere as long as you meet your requirements.</p>

<p>Also, the BEE program in CALS is small and very tight knit. They get their own special classes, special advisors, special everything. Also, the CALS and Engineering advising programs are great, and are extremely happy to help anyone with double majoring/minoring/studying abroad/finding internships/getting research/joining clubs.</p>

<p>Also, the MFCNS program is absolutely wonderful. If you haven’t already read my posts about the program, do a search on the Cornell board. It is fantastic and opens up tons of doors.</p>

<p>Even more, it is nice that USC is giving you money already for research, but Cornell isn’t lacking at all in terms of research opportunities. If you want to do it, just e-mail some professors and you will easily find positions and money to help you. The Engineering Learning Initiatives (only one of the many funding programs) provides funding for students who have found a mentor and a research project. Professors are also willing to help you look for and apply to research grants from such prestigious places as the American Chemical Society and the National Science Foundation.</p>

<p>The majority of Cornell students I have met absolutely love it here. The weather is sometimes bad, but there are so many opportunities here and the people are so diverse you can turn this place into any experience you want. Yes, as an engineer you will have to study if you want good grades. Yes, around prelim time you will probably get stressed. But that shouldn’t stop you from joining clubs, participating in activities, and hanging out with friends.</p>

<p>Hope this clears up some stuff for you :)</p>

<p>if you’re looking to stay and work in the USC area…then you might be better off staying there…</p>

<p>also the money is too good to pass up in this economy</p>

<p>thanks for clearing all of that up chendrix. Sometimes reading so many opinions and talking to so many people can make this really confusing, but it’s good to know all of that about Cornell so I can make a more educated decision.</p>

<p>like RB said, if you plan on staying in the LA area, USC would be the way to go. My brother went to USC and then moved back home to work and realized he would have been better off going to our state school in terms of what USC brought in alumni network outside of LA. </p>

<p>Cornell also offers a game design minor in engineering. check it out: [Cornell</a> Engineering : Game Design](<a href=“http://www.engineering.cornell.edu/programs/undergraduate-education/minors/game-design.cfm]Cornell”>http://www.engineering.cornell.edu/programs/undergraduate-education/minors/game-design.cfm)</p>

<p>I’m guessing you are from cali. I would go with Cornell even though your gut instincts tell you to go with USC because of the reasons you gave. It seems to me that you think that going to Cornell would be more of a gamble because it’s more competitive; you don’t know if you’re going to do well grade-wise relative to your colleagues. It’s easy to choose a school within your comfort zone in cali in what you perceive as a more relaxed environment. I would choose Cornell hands down because having people around me who work hard give me the incentive to work harder.</p>

<p>BTW, if you study, it’s not that hard to get a 2.7 or even a 3.5+</p>