Cornell vs WUSTL

<p>I am currently rising junior, and I'm trying to decide betwee. Cornell for top choice college (the college I will apply ED to). Normally, I would just apply to both RD and postpone my decision, but I know WUSTL has a much higher ED acceptance rate. Can the same be said for Cornell? </p>

<p>I researched WUSTL extensively, and I fell in love with almost everything about it–except the location. I don't particularly care for St. Louis, and I dislike the South in general because of the heat.</p>

<p>Could you compare the following aspects of the two colleges for pre-medical students? </p>

<p>Academic:
-Rigor of Curriculum (pre-med)
-Premed Advising
-Research, shadowing, clinical experience opportunities
-Computer Science Departments
-Required core classes
-Overall quality of learning</p>

<p>Non-academic:
-Dorm quality
-Air Conditioning (yes, even for Cornell)
-Food (I just recently realized how important this is...)
-Student body
-Campus and surrounding area</p>

<p>Can anyone answer this? I got a lot of answers from WUSTL people saying their food/dorms/pre-med focus is better.</p>

<p>Actually, I have heard that Cornell has really good food (don’t know if it’s better than WUSTL though). Also, regarding campus, I visited Cornell this summer and absolutely fell in love with it. The campus is consistently ranked as one of the most beautiful in the country, and the area is open and beautiful. </p>

<p>I wouldn’t know much else about this though, although I too am interested. </p>

<p>Right now, I’ve tentatively decided not to apply to WashU (mainly because of the location), but I’m curious as to what made you like it so much?</p>

<p>I know a lot about WUSTL (have had siblings graduate from there, dad works there, live there) and I visited Cornell twice and was accepted to both.</p>

<p>I can speak for the rigor of the Pre-Med program at WUSTL and frankly, from what I’ve heard and my sibling has experienced, it is INCREDIBLY tough. It’s meant to weed out students and there is rarely any leniency for students who fall behind. I can’t describe the amount of people I know/have heard of who drop the pre-med track at WUSTL. That being said, you reap the reward… it’s a phenomenally ranked program-if you can manage. Idk much about Cornell Pre-med. </p>

<p>I would say that quality of learning is probably the same at both, maybe a bit better at WUSTL (smaller) but not by much. Tons of TA’s teach the intro level science courses at WU, and I suspect the same is true for Cornell. On my admitted student visit to Cornell, my host was a pre-med but he told me that there were various pre-med tracks in different schools, and they all had a slightly different approach. So maybe, Cornell would be able to provide more nuances in terms of program offerings. I.e. Human Ecology vs. Art Sci vs. Engineering</p>

<p>Dorms are hands down better at WUSTL-constantly ranked in the top 3. Cornell is more hit or miss: while they do have some nice, new dorms, other dorms haven’t been updated and I found their whole system/res-life to be somewhat confusing and nonsensical.</p>

<p>Food: Amazing at both, WUSTL is probably ranked higher, but it was outstanding at Cornell as well, so I’d say that’s a wash. Tons of options at both places too. </p>

<p>Student Body: I’d say the student body is relatively similar at both places: both slightly more intellectual than other schools whose student bodies are a bit more well rounded. TONS of diversity at both schools. Cornell didn’t really feel that much bigger than WUSTL-the different schools at Cornell really help to manage the size, and WUSTL has a spread out campus.</p>

<p>Campus: Beautiful at both, but in different ways. WUSTL is much more suburban-it’s in the middle of wealthy Clayton and there are some unsafe areas around Forest Park but not too bad. The architecture is phenomenal too-even the new buildings keep to the Collegiate Gothic style. The weather does get hot in St. Louis, and moderate in the winter. Cornell, I found to be more breathtaking, only because of the gorges and close proximity to Cayuga Lake. I loved the hills and the architecture. The buildings were more of a mix of architectural styles but they fit well together. Tons of great fall and winter things to do too.</p>

<p>Okay, that was a long post… hopefully it helps. Good luck</p>

<p>I would like to clarify one thing from the previous post. At washu, TAs do not teach classes. TAs do lead review sessions, but every class is taught by an actual professor.</p>

<p>Barvoets,
I have heard almost the exact assessment that you gave of both schools. At the end of the day, its all about fit.</p>

<p>About Student body… this is more than just Cornell and WUSTL…</p>

<p>Student body SAT Strength 2012-2013
(the starting SAT score of these universities’ top 800 )</p>

<h2>R#800 M#800 W#800 R+M</h2>

<p>740.00 780.00 – 1520 Cornell
757.19 755.75 761.47 1513 Harvard
744.99 766.49 756.49 1511 Penn
739.48 759.48 746.91 1499 Northwestern
737.85 757.85 – WUSTL
739.35 753.41 747.48 1493 Stanford
729.34 749.34 719.18 1479 Vanderbilt
735.29 739.7 – 1475 U.Chicago
732.01 735.6 738.81 1468 Yale
728.88 738.88 738.88 1468 Princeton
729.41 733.09 733.09 1463 Columbia
711.91 741.91 727.67 1454 Duke
679.65 745.79 689.65 1425 MIT
706.04 710.64 720.64 1417 Brown
670.77 693.85 680.77 1365 J.Hopkins
674.71 684.28 684.71 1359 Dartmouth
650.50 693.89 670.50 1344 Emory</p>

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<p>Above result’s calculated from raw data from Common Data Set for Fall 2012 - Spring 2013 Enrolled freshman class:</p>

<p>Freshman SAT 25-75%
Class </p>

<h2>Size R…M…W</h2>

<p>1098 670-780 680-780 680-790…Dartmouth
1356 700-800 710-790 710-800…Yale
1357 700-790 710-800 710-800…Princeton
1413 700-780 700-790 700-790…Columbia
1539 660-760 660-770 670-780…Brown
1724 700-800 710-790 710-800…Harvard
2461 660-760 690-780 680-770…Penn
3217 640-740 670-780 --…Cornell</p>

<p>1733 660-750 690-780 670-770…Duke
1342 640-740 660-770 650-750…J.Hopkins
1140 670-770 740-800 680-780…MIT
2115 680-760 700-780 680-770…Northwestern
1765 680-780 700-790 700-780…Stanford
1511 700-780 700-790 --…U.Chicago
1587 690-770 710-790 670-770…Vanderbilt
1668 700-770 720-790 --…WUSTL
1378 620-710 660-760 640-730…Emory</p>

<p>The explanation is in the last part of post#1 in the following thread:
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/1530349-ivy-league-other-top-schools-student-body-academic-strength.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/1530349-ivy-league-other-top-schools-student-body-academic-strength.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Can’t speak to Wash U., but Cornell has been an incredible experience for my D. “barvoets” was very accurate in the description of physical campus, food, & dorms. In addition Ithaca has rated “best college town” in it’s size range. Really good restaurants (more restaurants per person than NYC), nice downtown “commons” area. Always a lot to do with well funded clubs & activities. Good DI sports teams to follow, led by Hockey & Lacrosse. Great internship opportunities (D is currently on paid internship in NYC for summer) , strong alumni organization (which I am told comes in handy for job placements). The academic piece is difficult, my D had an adjustment period, but doable.</p>

<p>Sounds like you like WUSTL better and I suggest choosing it for your ED option. Have you been to STL? WUSTLs location is really great, sandwiched between the city’s best party area, the museum district, downtown, and a shopping area (especially compared to Cornell, which is located in the sticks) Everything is first class at WUSTL (food and dorms awesome, plus they GIVE you a metro card allowing you to go wherever you want). </p>

<p>As for pre-med, WUSTL has a top 5 med school that takes lots of WUSTL students. Cornell is also very strong for med school, except it will not have as many internship possibilities there. </p>

<p>Apply to each as they are both terrific for pre-med. But if you like everything about WUSTL except STL use your ED for WUSTL as I think STL wiil surprise you.</p>

<p>In answer to a couple of your concerns I can speak for Cornell:</p>

<p>-Required Core Classes: The core curriculum will differ somewhat depending on whether you decide to do a premed track in the College of Arts and Sciences (CAS) or the College of Agriculture and Life Sciences (CALS). The curriculum will be more interdisciplinary in CAS, such as including a foreign language requirement, and have more science requirements in CALS.</p>

<p>-Many of the dorms at Cornell do not have air conditioning.</p>

<p>-Cornell’s surrounding area is beautiful and scenic if you enjoy nature, but I’d recommend visiting as some people find it to be too big of a campus.</p>

<p>The Human Development major in the College of Human Ecology is also used by many students for premed.</p>

<p>Interesting piece in today’s NY Times looking at enrollment of low-income students at elite colleges. Cornell fared well in this article, with 17% of undergrads receiving Pell grants. Wash U had only 7% of undergrads receiving Pell grants, the lowest of all 50 schools surveyed. Cornell has a very diverse student body, to go along with very diverse academics. Cornell has 49 programs ranked in the top-10, the most in the country.</p>

<p>Washu is rare for the top 25 in that it is not need blind. It does make the school a bit less socioeconomically diverse, but I still think the student body is relatively varied.</p>

<p>^ Is that a bad thing?</p>

<p>I’ve visited both campuses. OP… Do not rely on random people to generate your idea. While looking for “extra” information online is useful, you’ve got to think for yourself. Think of all the possible scenarios. Then decide. There may be important aspects that you cannot bring off the top of your head.</p>

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<p>Cornell: </p>

<p>-Rigor of Curriculum (pre-med): It’s not as hard as people say, they just like to whine a lot. Talking with Columbian friends of mine, they say they had B/B+ means in certain classes where I had B-/B means. Compare that to SUNY schools, which have C-/B+ means in the same classes.
-Premed Advising: Kick ass. Not a single complaint. And this is coming from the Engineering Advising Office, not even actual premed advisors, which I haven’t even bothers to contact, since the Eng ones are so helpful.
-Research, shadowing, clinical experience opportunities
-Computer Science Departments: Cornell any day, but I have a severe Cornell bias… being a Cornellian haha.
-Required core classes: For A&S, the language requirement gets a bit annoying, idk if they have that over at WUSTL, but most schools do, I believe.
-Overall quality of learning: Great. Good peers. Good opportunities too.</p>

<p>Non-academic:
-Dorm quality: Decent. Depends on where you get to dorm, just like most schools.
-Air Conditioning (yes, even for Cornell): Good.
-Food (I just recently realized how important this is…): AMAZING
-Student body: It’s pretty good. Decent.
-Campus and surrounding area: Kinda secluded for my usual tastes, I’m more of a city guy, but I like it nonetheless. Good change of scenery.</p>

<p>St. Louis, the “South?” Lol.</p>

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<p>What’s been said already seems pretty accurate. My daughter graduated from Wash U and son is starting Cornell this month. My son got put in a triple in an old, crappy dorm - no A/C. Don’t think Wash U has any old, crappy dorms left. About the restaurant scene in Ithaca - don’t get it. We’ve been there several times and haven’t found anything great. Everyone seems to just rave about the bagel place where they don’t have a kitchen and just microwave everything.</p>

<p>One thing about Wash U - it’s really flexible - you can take classes anywhere and change your major very easily. This is not true at Cornell.</p>

<p>I think you would get a great education at either school. Cornell has better name recognition. Wash U has better dorms. Daughter lived on campus all 4 years. This is harder (or maybe not possible?) at Cornell. Housing seems to be more stressful at Cornell. Food was great at Wash U - supposed to be great at Cornell too - we’ll see.</p>

<p>Your son probably didn’t do enough research into dorms haha. Sucks for him.</p>

<p>I lived in an apartment style “townhouse,” with two doubles. There’s ample room to pregame (we get our own living room), we get a bathroom + shower room between only 4 people, and we get a full kitchen + full size fridge to ourselves. A</p>

<p>Oh yeah, and we had thermostats in each townhouse, so the temp for heating/AC is decided between 4 people.</p>