Could someone verify these reviews on Carleton's social life?

<p>I found these claims made by Carleton's own students at ************** : <a href="http://www.**************.com/MN/CAC_comments.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.**************.com/MN/CAC_comments.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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<p>Social life: Pretty bad. Most weekend social events are sweaty alcohol parties where people go looking for a good time they never find. Kids who do look for that end up binge-drinking on saturday nights in sweaty parties, I hear. </p>

<p>The small student body means that there is a lot of gossip. </p>

<p>Do not come to Carleton looking for a soulmate.</p>

<p>If the kegger is something you really, really want regularly in your college experience, you'd be happier somewhere else. </p>

<p>I've seen a lot of East Coast reared, private school educated Carls go through culture shock when confronted with their public schooled classmates, especially those who live on farms or even in small towns and suburbs. They will have to get used to a lack of ocean, a prejudice against flashy or expensive clothing, and the general lack of hipsters. </p>

<p>True to its Northfield environs, Carleton is full of those small-town relationships, most of which (an arrogant East Coast kid sez) would melt in a big city like a snowman in hell. Each woman has a window of availability of about 15 days when she switches between the HTH (Hometown Honey) and her first joined-at-the-hip college pseudo-marriage. There is incredible competition for women during this short window, and of course most men end up disappointed. In other words, if you're single, you're probably locked-out until graduation.</p>

<p>Weekends, we make our own fun, I guess. Sneak into the academic buildings and watch movies on the big screens, bake cookies, make movies, ballroom dance, build snow forts, all sorts of disreputable stuff.</p>

<p>"Reputation" is a problem and about 10 people per class year get unfairly hammered by that, especially well-off male East Coasters who are viewed with <em>extreme</em> suspicion when they interact with women.</p>

<p>A lot of them are <em>very</em> immature when they get to Carleton, but blossom into very interesting, cool people during freshman and sophomore year. </p>

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<p>Don't get me wrong - my interests in Carleton genuinely lie in its academics.
But I find some of these comments reasonably alarming. Do I really have to "bake cookies" or "write a symphony with friends" during weekends to have fun?
I am also an East Coaster and what people would call "extremely preppy" or............ "well-off." like Lacoste polo shirts, collars popped, Nantucket and Maine, golf-playing preppy. **Are there people like me at Carleton? Or will I be disliked and thought snobby such as described in the above? Am I likely to feel unhappy or like an outsider at carl?</p>

<p>Doesn't sound at all like the experience my daughter had as a freshman last year. ... You'll find sweaty parties and booze at any college, Carleton included, but judging by my daughter's friends I've met so far, there's far more to do than drink oneself blind (or bake cookies). They're an exceptionally bright, interesting, and accepting group of broad-minded people, but otherwise hard to label. Some are artsy, others athletic, and yes, preppy types exist there, as well. ... If possible, go for a visit. Carleton wasn't high on my daughter's radar when we stopped by Northfield on the way to see Macalester. Immediately, it felt right to her, and she's had no regrets whatsoever. Good luck to you!</p>

<p>Well, most of those comments seem to be coming from one person (who was probably the strangest member of the class of '05. And yes, I can tell immediately who it is), so I wouldn't pay too much attention to them. The thing about not coming to Carleton looking for a soulmate is kind of odd, considering the large percentage of Carleton grads who marry other Carls (in fact, Carleton's first graduating class consisted of one man and one woman who married shortly after graduation). </p>

<p>There are some "preppy" students at Carleton, but I would strongly recommend visiting to see if you would feel comfortable there.</p>

<p>thank you.</p>

<p>Carleton students generally frown upon displays of wealth: basically anything expensive besides Apple products and good winter jackets will probably make some annoyed at your privilege. Not to say that an obviously loaded, white preppy East Coast dude with a popped collar will necessarily become a social pariah, but those things won't do you favors. (But to your benefit, few students will be able to recognize a Hollister shirt for what it is and they won't write you off as a d00che for THAT reason.)</p>

<p>Alexkaye:</p>

<p>First, caveat emptor.<br>
Re: “I found these claims made by Carleton's own students” – exercise caution. As you may know, this site has been much discussed and generally much maligned for its failure to screen whether people posting are indeed connected to the particular college related to their posts. Trustworthy or not, postings for Carleton are actually unusually positive, among the very best you’ll find compared with peer colleges. Again, I’d approach this site with a healthy dose of skepticism. </p>

<p>Second, to offer some context to people reading your excerpted comments, I’m adding below (in its entirety) the most recent posting from the site you’re referencing that served as the origin of many of your quotes. The post itself was actually extremely positive, something hard to glean from the selections above. I may not agree with all its conclusions, but believe it was probably written honestly and in good faith. </p>

<p>Third, if you look at (as I hope you have) endless other review sites/publications with somewhat more validation from Fiske to Princeton Review to The Insider’s Guide to Colleges to even (surprisingly) the conservative ISI Choosing the Right College, not many other schools can lay claim to such consistently good reviews of both student life and academics. </p>

<p>Fourth, to get a less subjective assessment of how satisfied students tend to be with their experiences, look at such measures as retention rates and alumni donation rates. Carleton’s alumni donation rate remains the highest of any college in the nation. Their retention rate at 97% is also extraordinary, especially in light of the school’s academic rigor.</p>

<p>Finally, regarding your concerns about being “an East Coaster and what people would call "extremely preppy" or............ "well-off" like Lacoste polo shirts, collars popped, Nantucket and Maine, golf-playing preppy,” you’d be welcome with open arms (if not collars) at Carleton. The dozen or so East Coasters currently on campus that I know couldn't be any happier with their experiences and couldn't imagine themselves anywhere else. The bigger question is whether you can accept a student body in which you will now be in the minority. If you have a deep seated need to exclusively surround yourself with "popped collars," go East, young man. I’ve said many times “fit” matters – arguments about one college being “better” than another are sophomoric when applied in a global sense - but certainly there is such a thing as a “better” school for any given individual. Be honest with yourself about who you are and what you want. Follow Americanski’s advice – visit, if at all possible. Even better, spend a night or two.</p>

<p>Here goes with the Stud….review.com post (in full) referenced by Alexkaye. Sorry for the length (!) but I'm just the messenger:</p>

<p>“I love Carleton and I am beyond happy that I chose to apply ED to this school over others that I was considering (Grinnell, Oberlin, assorted Ivies).</p>

<p>You know all that admissions literature about those slightly unusual, fun-loving, intellectual Carls? By and large, it's a true characterization of the average Carleton student. On the whole, the people I've met tend to be quite academic, but not particularly staid; driven, not competitive; intense, but not staid; passionate about something, but well-rounded. If you are fierce about your learning and equally intent on sucking as much cheerfulness and fulfillment out of life as possible, Carleton's a great place for you. </p>

<p>First and foremost, the academics are incredible. The classes are small, well-taught, and fascinating. The professors are accessible and prone to inviting their students to their houses. Research opportunities for science kids appear to abound-- my friend, a freshman (most likely a chem major) has a paid research position on campus this summer with a prof. For the humanities types, help is always around to find internships, scholarships, and the like. Academic advising in my experience is excellent, but I hear that differs appreciably by assigned advisor. </p>

<p>The school's Minnesota location has certainly rubbed off on the personalities of the student body... "Minnesota nice" is evident in both positive and negative ways. The people are incredibly friendly and cooperative, but sometimes the (air of) modesty gets to be a little much (especially when you know that the person in question thinks that s/he's hot ***** but just won't admit it). There's a definite midwest flavor to the school that is absent even in other schools with Midwestern locations... WUSTL, Kenyon, and Northwestern all have an east coast feel and Oberlin and Macalester might as well be out west. Carleton is unhip, unpretentious, and unstylish, which isn't to say it's insular or provincial, just grounded.</p>

<p>For me, a moderate drinker/sometime smoker, the social life's enjoyable. I purposefully avoided schools with frats or big party scenes but also tried to avoid the other extreme. I'm not a big fan of large parties, so the Carleton tendency to have a few with a couple friends before hitting the big dance or concert is too my liking. Regular Sayles dances (held roughly biweekly, sometimes more)get old, but there's usually enough entertaining theme parties to tide one over until the next good DJ. In the winter the scene dies down a bit, only to be resurrected in full force in the spring. From what I understand, sub-free life at Carleton is pretty great.</p>

<p>There are many people for whom Carleton would not be the best. I know about three people who are transferring next year and they all tend to have some hodgepodge of these characteristics:</p>

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<li><p>They're big partiers:
This is a school with 2000 kids and many of those students don't drink regularly. There's parties for those who want them, there's copious booze a-flowing some weekends for those who drink it, but if the kegger is something you really, really want regularly in your college experience, you'd be happier somewhere else. Likewise, the hook-up scene is unpredictable and a small campus can make that awkward.</p></li>
<li><p>They're in need of a city:
I like Northfield. I like its leafy streets and its little restaurants and its cheesy festivals. I also like the fact that it's close to Minneapolis (which is a big city by most measures). But some people, mostly from the Boston or NYC areas, get claustrophobic very fast. Be honest with yourself-- can you handle living in a small town of 15,000 people, only able to get waaay off campus on weekends?</p></li>
<li><p>They don't mesh with the Midwest:
I've seen a lot of East Coast reared, private school educated Carls go through culture shock when confronted with their public schooled classmates, especially those who live on farms or even in small towns and suburbs. They will have to get used to a lack of ocean, a prejudice against flashy or expensive clothing, and the general lack of hipsters. There's just a different way of talking about one's accomplishments and opinions in the Midwest than there is back East (and to a lesser extent, out West).</p></li>
<li><p>They'd be happier at a bigger school:
Carleton is small. Think realistically about what it means to be cooped up on a little campus with your exes, meeting a majority of your classmates over your four years, seeing the same group of people at parties, and studying in a department with maybe ten profs at most. For some people, the benefits of a small school far outweigh the bad. For others, it's just not worth it. </p></li>
<li><p>They didn't want to come here in the first place:
If Carleton's your safety school, fifth choice, or back-up plan, you might want to ask yourself why you're coming. Maybe it's better to take a gap year and give that place you really want to go one more shot before coming into a school with an unhappy disposition. Carls tend to be optimistic and make the best they can out of what life hands them. A LOT of people chose this school early decision or had it as their first choice and that enthusiasm can be hard to react to if you're still mourning the loss of your first choice. </p></li>
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<p>Carleton has provided a great first year for me. I've met amazing people, studied with brilliant and helpful profs, and broadened my intellectual horizons. My fellow Carls have taught me so much about things academic and otherwise. For me, the school's small size, midwest location, moderate party-scene, distance from Minneapolis-St. Paul, and strong character have been rewarding because I find that these factors foster an amazing, close-knit community truly dedicated to all kinds of learning.”</p>

<p>1190, Thank you so much for your extremely elaborate comment.
<em>For clarification</em> I was NOT trying to portray Carleton in a bad image with my question if that's what you thought. I really was not trying to say anything bad about your school with my "excerpts from the site." Please, if anything, I'm the one who wants to go to Carleton(very badly). And yeah, I have been VERY aware of the fact that Carleton always receives extremely positive reviews from its own students compared to other schools, and that's one of many things that attract me to the school so much. It's just that I happened to be skimming the site one day and ran into some quotes that scared me a bit, so I wanted to know how much of it was true or not. I didn't mean to come off as snobby, either. Sorry if my question was ridiculous. Thanks again for your advice though.</p>

<p>Alexkaye, absolutely no need to explain or apologize. You certainly DON'T "come off as snobby," just concerned. I hoped my post would offer both help to you and some context to others unfamiliar with the site you referenced. Final word, it's easy to "lose the forest through the trees." Be careful not to be swallowed up and hamstrung by the litany of information out there. It's something I've seen too often. Do your homework, let the numbers and data guide you, but in the end trust your gut. Good luck!</p>

<p><a href="http://www4.**************.com/MN/CAC_comments.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www4.**************.com/MN/CAC_comments.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>why does it block the website ??</p>

<p>If you go to the Carleton home page and click the "About Carleton" button, you'll find a section called "Students say..." with a lot of quotes from current Carleton students about academic life, campus life, why they chose Carleton, etc. Let's see if the link will work (I see that CC somehow broke/censored a link in a previous post):
<a href="https://apps.carleton.edu/about/student_quotes/%5B/url%5D"&gt;https://apps.carleton.edu/about/student_quotes/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Disclaimer: I work for Carleton, so I'm hardly an unbiased source. Speaking as the person who invited the submission of these comments, though, I can tell you that these are verbatim comments from real students, who are identified by name. </p>

<p>Also, the invitation to submit comments did NOT say, "Come say wonderful things about Carleton for our marketing materials." It said:</p>

<p>"For a prospective student to understand if Carleton is a good fit, they need to understand the realities: what's good, what's bad, what's fabulous, what's brain-bendingly difficult, etc. The more candid you are, the better they'll be able to judge if Carleton is right for them.</p>

<p>"Here's the scenario...You're talking with a high school student who wants to know what Carleton is really like. She tells you that she wants to pick a college that's right for her, and not just academically (although that's important to her). She wants to be sure she'll fit in with the student body, and that there's the kind of campus life that she's seeking. She asks you to be as honest as you can about your college."</p>